Hi , I have some blue cobolt clearwings and was wanting to find out , can you pair a cobolt hen clearwing to a Grey green /cobolt normal cock bird , Without spoiling the wings clear colour ,when it comes to the time I want to breed with the splits?.

 

I hope that sounds right.

 

Thank you.

With clearwings as far as I know you can put any colour together as long as they are not split for anything at all. for example cinnamon and opaline. But that is only if you are breeding show type birds.

The best way to get all clearwings is to use a dilute.

I am starting my venture in clearwings this year along with lacewing, albino, lutino and clearbody but mainly focusing on clearwing and clearbody

Hi , I have some blue cobolt clearwings and was wanting to find out , can you pair a cobolt hen clearwing to a Grey green /cobolt normal cock bird , Without spoiling the wings clear colour ,when it comes to the time I want to breed with the splits?.

 

I hope that sounds right.

 

Thank you.

 

Can you put up ics of the Clearwings you have bred so we may see them.

 

First generation cross out to Normals will of course breed you Normals that are split for Clearwing that is provided that your Clearwing stock are pure Clearwing. These splits when put back to a Clearwing will produce Clearwings that will have increased wings markings. If you are only breeding for wing clarity stick with Clearwing to Clearwing.

Thanks Splat and RIP budgies.

 

So if I wanted to put some size into my clearwings and still try to save the wing clarity is it better to pair with a good sized dilute?.

Thanks Splat and RIP budgies.

 

So if I wanted to put some size into my clearwings and still try to save the wing clarity is it better to pair with a good sized dilute?.

 

Dilutes are the way to go too increase size without losing as much wing clarity when compared to crossing out to Normals.

 

You need to find a source of Dilutes that have been bred through good Normals. The problems you will face however are that the Dilute may be split for unwanted varieties, so the best bet here is to find Dilute hens as they will not be split for any sex linked trait but there is still the possibility of being split for other recessive varieties.

 

When you pair Dilutes to Clearwings you will produce 100% Clearwing progeny but they will all be split for Dilute and they will show some markings on the wings. In subsequent generations you will begin to produce Dilute that will look like Clearwings with less wing markings. These Clearwing modified Dilutes have inherited the modifier genes from the Clearwings. Retain any of good size to put back to your Clearwings and also pair some back into the Dilutes. You will need to run a separate line of Dilutes that have the occasional outcross to Normals to retain/improve the size, feather etc. Also keep a line of Clearwings pure for wing clarity.

Edited February 11, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies

There has been some good clearwing topics lately on the forum. Try the search function and type in clearwing and see what comes up for additional info

Hi 4bugsy, Good luck with your clearwing venture. The trueth is no-one can really tell you what to expect, we have all tried many things and have produced some good birds and some rubbish. I treat breeding birds like cooking, only use the best ingredients and it should work out okay. So only use GOOD Clearwings and only mate them to GOOD normals, opalines or dilutes. Its not the colour or variety that makes a good bird, study the standard and experiment for your self. Keep us posted with your results. Cheers Clearwing

Thankyou Kaz and Clearwing .

 

The infomation on this forum has been really good.

Will keep you informed.

 

Thank You

Just as a side note to this topic.

 

My profile picture is of a Light Green Clearwing cock. He is split for Dilute. It took many generations to produce that feather and size (he was around 8-9 inches). The dilutes we obtained at the time came from one source, a guy who bred Normal and Cinnamons and would occasionaly pop out a smacker of a Dilute. We also had another line of Clearwings from a completely difference source which although having size (some were 10 inches long) they had what I call the eighties look. This family also contained a high proportion of birds carrying the Feather Duster gene. We never used Opaline but I did use Cinnamon and Cinnamon Dilutes (Black Eyes).

 

 

Clearwing I am interested to know why you suggest Opaline for Clearwing breeding.

Just as a side note to this topic.

 

My profile picture is of a Light Green Clearwing cock. He is split for Dilute. It took many generations to produce that feather and size (he was around 8-9 inches). The dilutes we obtained at the time came from one source, a guy who bred Normal and Cinnamons and would occasionaly pop out a smacker of a Dilute. We also had another line of Clearwings from a completely difference source which although having size (some were 10 inches long) they had what I call the eighties look. This family also contained a high proportion of birds carrying the Feather Duster gene. We never used Opaline but I did use Cinnamon and Cinnamon Dilutes (Black Eyes).

 

 

Clearwing I am interested to know why you suggest Opaline for Clearwing breeding.

 

I have used opaline quite successfully in the past, I think the reason is there are some brilliant opalines arround and they are easy to get for an outcross, the clearwing opaline hens when mated back to clearwing cocks can produce some lovelly clearwings, there is also less chance the opalines are carrying greywing. You must be very careful using cinnamon as a good judge will pick a cinnamon clearwing easily, there pink feet give them away. Cheers Clearwing

Edited February 11, 201015 yr by KAZ
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So it is okay to use opalines CW , what do you keep out of that nest. Hens only or cocks too.

I have used opaline quite successfully in the past, I think the reason is there are some brilliant opalines arround and they are easy to get for an outcross, the clearwing opaline hens when mated back to clearwing cocks can produce some lovelly clearwings, there is also less chance the opalines are carrying greywing. You must be very careful using cinnamon as a good judge will pick a cinnamon clearwing easily, there pink feet give them away. Cheers Clearwing

 

 

 

Granted there are some lovely Opalines around and I guess at this stage, starting from scratch again, if I came across one I would be quite tempted. Thank you for the wise words re Cinnamon but I am aware of how to identify and I was a judge myself in a past budgie life. The Cinnamon like any variety is a tool and if used correctly can help rather than hinder progress. Of the Cinnamon Clearwings produced only hens would be put back into the Clearwing line whilst the cocks were happily sirited off to the Black Eyes. Result is a certain amount of residual influence from the Cinnamon is carried through to the Clearwings and with Dilutes that are produce regularly from Clearwings with reduced wings markings coupled with the Cinnamon made then better than Normal Cinnamons for Black Eyes, for keeping colour and reduction of markings not necessarily for size or feather, one still needs to out-cross again to Normal Cinnamon.

Edited February 11, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies