I had a bird a few years ago that broke its neck because of hawks attacking at night scaring the flock,it was terrible to see the poor thing how he was,he seemed fine but his neck was just rubber.I new right away what should be done,he had no chance.....okay..heres the part no one wants to here hold the bird as normal,put your thumb and forfinger under neck then pull and twist.And just for the i cant do that group would you prefer him to starve to death,or take him to the vet were they will charge big dollars and do the same thing.When you breed livestock you have to move on sh!t happens.

 

um i would not use this method as its not fool proof

birds neaks are pretty strong

specially chicks

and sometimes even if you know what your doing that method does not work

also if you use enough force the head can come off not a pretty sight

their is much nicer way than that

I had a bird a few years ago that broke its neck because of hawks attacking at night scaring the flock,it was terrible to see the poor thing how he was,he seemed fine but his neck was just rubber.I new right away what should be done,he had no chance.....okay..heres the part no one wants to here hold the bird as normal,put your thumb and forfinger under neck then pull and twist.And just for the i cant do that group would you prefer him to starve to death,or take him to the vet were they will charge big dollars and do the same thing.When you breed livestock you have to move on sh!t happens.

 

um i would not use this method as its not fool proof

birds neaks are pretty strong

specially chicks

and sometimes even if you know what your doing that method does not work

also if you use enough force the head can come off not a pretty sight

their is much nicer way than that

I agree with GB. This method is one that doesnt work always as it should. I wont use it either.

One of the things I am trying to avoid in this topic is actually discussing how to euthenase a bird.

WHY ??? Because in the past on this forum, it meets with HUGE HUGE horrible results. People dont wont this kind of discussion here and get too upset over it. So we dont.

Many a member when faced with the inevitable has PMed me for advice and thats where I will give advice for euthenasia when I have to.

Edited February 26, 201015 yr by KAZ

okay sorry.

I had a bird a few years ago that broke its neck because of hawks attacking at night scaring the flock,it was terrible to see the poor thing how he was,he seemed fine but his neck was just rubber.I new right away what should be done,he had no chance.....okay..heres the part no one wants to here hold the bird as normal,put your thumb and forfinger under neck then pull and twist.And just for the i cant do that group would you prefer him to starve to death,or take him to the vet were they will charge big dollars and do the same thing.When you breed livestock you have to move on sh!t happens.

 

um i would not use this method as its not fool proof

birds neaks are pretty strong

specially chicks

and sometimes even if you know what your doing that method does not work

also if you use enough force the head can come off not a pretty sight

their is much nicer way than that

I agree with GB. This method is one that doesnt work always as it should. I wont use it either.

One of the things I am trying to avoid in this topic is actually discussing how to euthenase a bird.

WHY ??? Because in the past on this forum, it meets with HUGE HUGE horrible results. People dont wont this kind of discussion here and get too upset over it. So we dont.

Many a memmber when faced wuth the inevitable has PMed me for advice and thats where I will give advice for euthenasia when I have to.

 

i also would give my method if really need be but i agree with kaz its beter left for pm and rarly is it needed realistically

Culling for me is a general term. It USUALLY means to reduce numbers - or go through your whole stud and select out what you want to keep and sell the rest. SOMETIMES it doesn't mean this, as others have pointed out.

 

And GB that's seriously funny! I never really thought about the fact that we can say COCK as much as we like and not get autoconsored - just goes to show how "normal" it is for budgie people but how uncomfortable it might be if you are new to the game.

Never been in the position of G.B.'s type of discussion, but boy it make's funny reading on a wet windy day, (for which we are truly thankful after the *****humidity and heat). I had to get hubby to read it himself as I couldn't read it out without laughing, strange what mental pictures you can get , I reckon the fella's probably do it deliberately to newbies half the time anyway. G.B.

 

Not to get off the subject, culling or euthenasia. I hope I only ever have to do the former. But hope I'm up to the latter if it ever arises. I guess we won't know until it happens.

Never been in the position of G.B.'s type of discussion, but boy it make's funny reading on a wet windy day, (for which we are truly thankful after the *****humidity and heat). I had to get hubby to read it himself as I couldn't read it out without laughing, strange what mental pictures you can get , I reckon the fella's probably do it deliberately to newbies half the time anyway. G.B.

 

Not to get off the subject, culling or euthenasia. I hope I only ever have to do the former. But hope I'm up to the latter if it ever arises. I guess we won't know until it happens.

 

If you ever have an emergency permanent "cull" to do ( euthenasia ) PM some of us show breeders for assistance.

CULLING

Notes handed out at lecture on Culling

by Jim Calder at ABS Meeting January 2000

 

 

The word cull is defined in the Websters dictionary as

·

· a verb -to pick out:; to separate ( one or more things) from others; to select and gather together from many; to sort over ; to measure and to examine for quality).

a noun – anything selected from others; especially something inferior picked out and set aside.

Culling is therefore the act of selecting or sorting out a stud of birds with the intention of keeping those that are wanted and getting rid of those that are not.

 

 

Purpose of Culling

·

· Keep stock numbers to optimum manageable levels

Provide income to maintain hobby

Eliminate unwanted, unnecessary and undesirable genetic features

Maintain genetic balance within the stud

Assist new fanciers with stock of the appropriate quality

 

 

Factors to consider when determining the size of establishment

·

· Available time to devote to hobby

Available space and housing

Noise considerations ie neighbors

Numbers of varieties intended to be kept

Budget – how much money can you afford to spend

Local council regulations

Ultimate goal or rationale behind keeping budgies- just a hobby for fun or a challenge to be the best breeder in the land

Availability of quality stock

Critical mass

 

The above considerations are fairly straight forward however here are some guidelines

Allow a minimum of 1 minute per pair per day every day

Allow a minimum of 150 mm of aviary perch space per bird with sufficient capacity for young stock

Keep aviaries/ bird rooms as far from neighbors homes as possible to minimize noise complaints

Need to maintain at least 10 birds per variety

Some local government authorities will have bylaws governing the keeping of budgies and these must be adhered to

Start small and build up as quality improves

Its is sometimes difficult to get budgies to breed unless a critical mass (creating a happy noisy environment) is achieved. Studs below 20 birds often run into this difficulty.

 

There are 2 basic philosophies that can be used when culling being

 

* By quota

* By quality

 

As well as 2 basic methodologies being

 

* Continuous Culling

* Batch Culling

 

There is no perfect method which suits everybody and the breeder undertaking the cull need to determine the main purpose or goal to be achieved then decide on the best method to achieve that goal.

Culling by quota entails setting pre determined quotas for each sex and colour variety ( or feature to be considered) for example a typical quota could be

40% cocks 60% hens of which

40% normals, 20% lutinos, 20% opalines 15% spangle and 5% others.

A quota system could also impose age limits such as 50% current year rung and 50 % other years.

Culling by quality entails setting a minimum quality standard and disposing of all birds which fail to meet that standard

 

Continuous culling is carried out continuously throughout the year. The breeder constantly makes judgements as to the desirability of keeping certain individuals and selects birds to be cleared out of the stud on a continuous basis.

Batch culling is where the breeder carries out a cull at one time or at regular intervals such as annually or six monthly.

Edited March 8, 201015 yr by KAZ

Never been in the position of G.B.'s type of discussion, but boy it make's funny reading on a wet windy day, (for which we are truly thankful after the *****humidity and heat). I had to get hubby to read it himself as I couldn't read it out without laughing, strange what mental pictures you can get , I reckon the fella's probably do it deliberately to newbies half the time anyway. G.B.

 

Not to get off the subject, culling or euthenasia. I hope I only ever have to do the former. But hope I'm up to the latter if it ever arises. I guess we won't know until it happens.

 

Never been in the position of G.B.'s type of discussion, but boy it make's funny reading on a wet windy day, (for which we are truly thankful after the *****humidity and heat). I had to get hubby to read it himself as I couldn't read it out without laughing, strange what mental pictures you can get , I reckon the fella's probably do it deliberately to newbies half the time anyway. G.B.

its okay i have fun back after all if you cant laugh at things like that then you shouldn't put yourself in a position that you have to speak in the terms necessary

maybe the whole reason behind the terminology was back in the beginning to keep the women away from the hobby if you ask me just makes it a bit less boring and adds a giggle here and there weather its internally when necessary or openly when permitted or time right :hap:

i just know sometimes its hard to hold in

im sure i get some people looking at me with disgust but you live once and its all harmless so...

frankly my dears i dont give a dam although i do behave when i know im meant to ...