That's not what I meant, I am asking do you keep written records of your birds and their bloodlines. Plus bad traits

Not those destined for the Pet Shop, they get bought on looks alone!

BUT every bird I breed is in my record book whether is good or not, so it doesn't matter where they turn up the history is here for the takings but then I don't have pet type birds even though some turn out like that

BUT every bird I breed is in my record book whether is good or not, so it doesn't matter where they turn up the history is here for the takings but then I don't have pet type birds even though some turn out like that

Good for you!

split topic

I have split this topic away from its original one as it has taken on a life of its own

That's not what I meant, I am asking do you keep written records of your birds and their bloodlines. Plus bad traits

Not those destined for the Pet Shop, they get bought on looks alone!

Arent records begun before hatching and onwards. How can you decide well before hatching that they are petshop birds and worthy of records or not ? Or do you breed a line of cr*p birds just for the petshop and just to pay for the feed for your others ?

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by KAZ

Arent records begun before hatching and onwards. How can you decide well before hatching that they are petshop birds and worthy of records or not ? Or do you breed a line of cr*p birds just for the petshop and just to pay for the feed for your others ?

I have my top breeders, and then I have the rest. Personally I am proud of all my bred birds but even through my pink tinted glasses I have to acknowledge that only a percentage will reach my standards and funnily enough they always seem to come from the same birds or a family of birds.

 

From the "possibles" I usually make up my mind before they are released into the aviary and by that time I have been tracking them from the nest. I always say I don't pay much attention to my chicks till they start to feather up, but from that moment I am watching very carefully. If a "surprise" grabs my attention then I pay more attention to it!

 

For example, this year nothing clicked for me till well into the breeding season and I am on record saying that there aren't too many Red Rungers that I'll be keeping. Check out my breeding journal, I put my timetable ahead of my birds' breeding condition and learnt the hard way. But then I re-jigged some pairings and got a couple of mighty fine related birds to my top breeders and kerboom! Bingo, I am very happy with my Blue rungers and they will be going nowhere any time soon!

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by renee

Arent records begun before hatching and onwards. How can you decide well before hatching that they are petshop birds and worthy of records or not ? Or do you breed a line of cr*p birds just for the petshop and just to pay for the feed for your others ?

I have my top breeders, and then I have the rest. Personally I am proud of all my bred birds but even through my pink tinted glasses I have to acknowledge that only a percentage will reach my standards and funnily enough they always seem to come from the same birds or a family of birds.

From the "possibles" I usually make up my mind before they are released into the aviary and by that time I have been tracking them from the nest. I always say I don't pay much attention to my chicks till they start to feather up, but from that moment I am watching very carefully. If a "surprise" grabs my attention then I pay more attention to it!

That does not answer my question at all

I guess it's each to his/her own really as far as what they do and how they do it. There are no rules to follow other than maybe a bit of a broad mind about people.

 

As I said before I just don't get the protectionist attitude and the risk of turning away new people from an already shrinking hobby. The risk is far too great when you treat people this way not matter how nice you might pretend to be about it or what your underlying motives might be.

 

I couldn't imagine how it would have affected me to have rung someone like Len Vinci only to be told to pull my head in and that I'd only get records if I bought directly from him - yes I bought one of HIS birds from a pet shop way back when. I would have considered him a completely pretentious prat! I mean really either way, he parted with the bird in the manner he chose - I expect he got the money for it that he was happy with. Or maybe he had sold it to someone else first or even given it away that was his choice. My choice was to go to a pet shop and pick out some birds I liked. And Len was kind enough to tell me all about her background. There was me thinking - WOW budgie people are really nice. Had it been different I wonder if I would have bothered to continue and seek out other breeders close to me. Probably not.

That does not answer my question at all

Perhaps instead of asking the questions you would like to explain how you do things? That way this debate can be more inclusive instead of so one way.

That does not answer my question at all

Perhaps instead of asking the questions you would like to explain how you do things? That way this debate can be more inclusive instead of so one way.

Renee..............you opened this "can of peas" all by yourself by your post.

 

For the record. If anyone buys one of my bred budgies from the Pet Shop or second-hand from someone else, Do not contact me. I will not give you any details, more than likely I will deny the bird was ever actually mine. biggrin.gif

 

Only people who buy directly from me are privy to a bird's background. smile.gif

 

 

It has nothing to do with me and trying to divert the topic off onto me is a questionable move.

 

My question is.................Arent records begun before hatching and onwards. How can you decide well before hatching that they are petshop birds and worthy of records or not ?

That does not answer my question at all

Perhaps instead of asking the questions you would like to explain how you do things? That way this debate can be more inclusive instead of so one way.

Renee..............you opened this "can of peas" all by yourself by your post.

On the contrary Kaz, I am most interested in how you acquire Show budgies! Do you, like me, just buy direct from breeders and at auctions or do you still trawl the Pet Shops hoping to pick up a bargain for yourself or friend?

That does not answer my question at all

Perhaps instead of asking the questions you would like to explain how you do things? That way this debate can be more inclusive instead of so one way.

Renee..............you opened this "can of peas" all by yourself by your post.

On the contrary Kaz, I am most interested in how you acquire Show budgies! Do you, like me, just buy direct from breeders and at auctions or do you still trawl the Pet Shops hoping to pick up a bargain for yourself or friend?

No I dont trawl petshops for birds Renee....I have no need to.

 

Try getting back on topic and stop trying to draw me into this.

split topic

I have split this topic away from its original one as it has taken on a life of its own

That's not what I meant, I am asking do you keep written records of your birds and their bloodlines. Plus bad traits

Not those destined for the Pet Shop, they get bought on looks alone!

Arent records begun before hatching and onwards. How can you decide well before hatching that they are petshop birds and worthy of records or not ? Or do you breed a line of cr*p birds just for the petshop and just to pay for the feed for your others ?

 

 

Ooops just read this, well said Kaz :laughter: :happy-dancing: :rofl:

 

Back again....... YES Renee answer the question, stop dodging it

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by splat

No I dont trawl petshops for birds Renee....I have no need to.

Of course you don't, nor do I and have not done so for some years now. :happy-dancing:

 

I am still at a loss to explain how one of my birds ended up in SA of all places! :laughter:

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by KAZ

Renee you still haven't answered Kaz's question and I am eagly awaiting

Renee you still haven't answered Kaz's question and I am eagly awaiting

I have an excel spreadsheet, I tried using the Budgie program but had issues with ring numbers so gave up. :happy-dancing:

Of course you don't, nor do I and have not done so for some years now. :happy-dancing:

 

I am still at a loss to explain how one of my birds ended up in SA of all places! :laughter:

Well I had birds from you once, and then we had Liv over here from S.A. Chances are high she passed one on. And as you dont seem to keep records of your culls....I guess the new owner will never know anything from you.

 

 

Also Liv bought birds at the auction where you sold birds and it could have been amongst those.

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by KAZ

Does it matter?

 

I was surprised to see you with all the clearwings that I'd sold Dave but what he does with them after he bought them is his business BUT I still bred them AND stand by their breeding AND would be happy to provide whatever details you might have wanted.

 

After all I got the money for them in the first place and was satisfied, why on earth should it matter if they end up anywhere else and why should I consider that disrespectful if someone asked me about them?

Wow Renee... Some really strong words in these posts...

 

I started off with pet size budgies and still use them to this day, As not all varietis of show budgies are big and buff and they need that kick start to help improve them... Which is what I thought breeding budgies was all about... Improving what we had and enjoying the journey along the way...

 

If show breeders had told me sorry I'm not given you any info go away, I don't think I would have ever got into budgies like I have today...

 

And I wasn't a member of any club when I purchased alot of my show budgies, Brett Wood, Hans S, Rita, Gina House and many others and not ONCE did someone say 'oh you are not with a club sorry go somewhere else'... If I was like that I would be ashamed of who I am...

 

And I still like to walk around the pet shops, just because I go there doesn't mean I buy from there... Its called checking the market out and everyone does it when the shop, look in catalogues for a cheaper price, sale items, etc...

 

Really, if we all had that way of thinking than no one would show budgies... And I thought we were all adults here... Now I'm off to play with my lil boy because he doesn't think like some adults do...

 

Just my thoughts on everything... :happy-dancing:

Of course you don't, nor do I and have not done so for some years now. :laughter:

 

I am still at a loss to explain how one of my birds ended up in SA of all places!

Well I had birds from you once, and then we had Liv over here from S.A. Chances are high she passed one on. And as you dont seem to keep records of your culls....I guess the new owner will never know anything from you.

Well as it happens my record keeping is a little bit better than that. :rofl: And of the 9 hens I gifted you at $10 each it just so happens that this bird was a cock. :happy-dancing: Moreover it was a bird bred a full year before those ones.

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by renee

Yes exactly right Nubbly gee I could end up with one of yours one , somehow and and I would like to know background to a degree, not shoved off.

Wow Renee... Some really strong words in these posts...I started off with pet size budgies and still use them to this day, As not all varietis of show budgies are big and buff and they need that kick start to help improve them... Which is what I thought breeding budgies was all about... Improving what we had and enjoying the journey along the way...If show breeders had told me sorry I'm not given you any info go away, I don't think I would have ever got into budgies like I have today...And I wasn't a member of any club when I purchased alot of my show budgies, Brett Wood, Hans S, Rita, Gina House and many others and not ONCE did someone say 'oh you are not with a club sorry go somewhere else'... If I was like that I would be ashamed of who I am...And I still like to walk around the pet shops, just because I go there doesn't mean I buy from there... Its called checking the market out and everyone does it when the shop, look in catalogues for a cheaper price, sale items, etc...Really, if we all had that way of thinking than no one would show budgies... And I thought we were all adults here... Now I'm off to play with my lil boy because he doesn't think like some adults do...Just my thoughts on everything... :happy-dancing:

Well said LittleBudgie2005 and I would of being the same

That does not answer my question at all :happy-dancing:

Perhaps instead of asking the questions you would like to explain how you do things? :laughter: That way this debate can be more inclusive instead of so one way. :rofl:

Renee..............you opened this "can of peas" all by yourself by your post.

On the contrary Kaz, I am most interested in how you acquire Show budgies! Do you, like me, just buy direct from breeders and at auctions or do you still trawl the Pet Shops hoping to pick up a bargain for yourself or friend?

 

 

 

im sorry but

ren your oviously got a beef with someone and your taking it out all over the sight

 

you dont keep recolds i know that or did i get your ****

we both know the true answer their

i will say you did pay basically the cost of my birds back to me so

im not really complaining their as i knew bofore the got here what would happen to most of them

yet if you had of been on the ball you would not of needed to refund me any money

 

as for this comment

thoughs good breeders wouldnt go digging around pet shops

mate who do you think you are my goodness get your head out of your backside woman

our clubs breeders all cull to one of the members petshops

well i dont

but the others do

and if something is wanted then they are directed to the shop

its good in the way that the birds are moved on for room and we all know the birds are worth looking at

i dont buy alot from pet shops anymore but we have all Colin Flanagan culls in ours not the club members but here in warragul and other great breeders from around here and the only thing you will find wrong with the birds are they are not of colins handful stature the proportion the feather mask its all their

20.00 cant go wrong

 

so i am finding your just a bit pompus and honestly i dont think ive seen much good come from your shed

fine im not a show breeder as yet

you call me backyard but mate we all start somewhere im telling you now before you look like a idiot id close this topic

think about your birds what you are really breeding as you are in my opinion a pocket breeder

splash out on top stuff breed it win with it and then buy out cross to breed with that

thats not breeding thats babysitting someone elses birds and ringing their hard work

 

im afraid you have anoyed me ren reading this im not sure who you are you seem quiet desterbed take it to the person

not us

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

Does it matter?

In the scheme of things, no, not really. :laughter:

 

I just dislike being taken for a fool because I tried to help someone out. :happy-dancing: I will get over it and in time reassess. :rofl:

Does it matter?

In the scheme of things, no, not really. :laughter:

 

I just dislike being taken for a fool because I tried to help someone out. :happy-dancing: I will get over it and in time reassess. :rofl:

 

 

Sorry mate - that all did end up like a pick on Renee session really. And I get that not everyone out there is open and honest - we all get taken sometimes and I'm glad to think that you might reassess as time goes by. It would be a shame to make others pay for one persons behaviour.

Of course you don't, nor do I and have not done so for some years now. :rofl:

 

I am still at a loss to explain how one of my birds ended up in SA of all places!

Well I had birds from you once, and then we had Liv over here from S.A. Chances are high she passed one on. And as you dont seem to keep records of your culls....I guess the new owner will never know anything from you.

Well as it happens my record keeping is a little bit better than that. And of the 9 hens I gifted you at $10 each it just so happens that this bird was a cock. :happy-dancing: Moreover it was a bird bred a full year before those ones.

Well....the cock didnt come from me then. I dont have any of your birds left here, as I passed them on. Gifted and $$'s dont go well together. One way of trying to say someone got a bargain I guess. But as I passed them all along and didnt end up using them I wioll never know what kind of " gift" they were :laughter:

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by KAZ

Well....the cock didnt come from me then. I dont have any of your birds left here, as I passed them on. Gifted and $'s dont go well together. One way of trying to say someone got a bargain I guess. But as I passed them all along and didnt end up using them I wioll never know what kind of " gift" they were :laughter:

Thankfully you have reached the level this year where you do not need to rely on others' generosity. :rofl:

Of course it occurred to me that you just wanted to on-sell those birds, after the fact unfortunately other wise I would have asked for $30, just like the Pet Shop. :happy-dancing:

 

We live and learn .... and in the meantime Live and Let Live!