There's a lot of confusing info out there being perpetuated by common usage of phrases about seeds being fattening, which ones are or arent, when you should feed them or not etc etc.

Many of us end up saying what we have heard others say and not so much of the research ourselves.

 

I would like to open some discussion on all the tyes of seed one at a time and hope there will be some lively input from others so we all learn a little more tomorrow than we did today.

 

I will start it off about OATS

 

A seasoned budgie breeder tells me not to use hulled oats due to the processing it goes through. She says it literally ends up husked twice...once by the processing and the second time by the budgie. A hulled oat is steamed and kiln dried apparently and creates a new harder exterior that the budgie then husks again to get at the middle. Lost nutrients ?

 

Oats suggested by this breeder are are clipped oats.

 

Correct terminology aparently is Oats are whole....hulled oats are called GROATS ?

 

I have taken to buying oats now whole, slightly crushed for easer of eating by the budgie.

 

 

Serving seperately in a dish in the flights. Guess which dish they go for first ? The whole oats dish. :fear

 

Thoughts ? :rip:

Edited January 27, 201015 yr by KAZ

I use both, I call the whole oats, feeder oats.

I use a lot in the breeding season and through winter and cut back a lot through summer. As they are fatting my birds tend to get fat. :rip:

Totally agree Kaz, I use whole oats purchased dirrectly from the farmer[cheap as] the birds love them and as I'm a big fan of the deep litter system they chew the husks into a fine powder. Now I am told when i buy bred whole grain is best so maybe that tells us something. Clearwing

Whole oats are so cheap and better for the birds.

 

Here is some agriculture dept info on oats http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/PC_92033.html?s=1633286049

yes I think here at say hunters, I think $11.00 to $20.00 bag, so yes a big difference

i feed my budgies Whole oats thay love it

yes I think here at say hunters, I think $11.00 to $20.00 bag, so yes a big difference

Good prices. I paid nearly $18. I might now shop around.

I prefer to use the Hulled oats.

Steaming, flaking and rolling often increases the digestibility of grains but rolled or cracked grains quality deteriorates faster than whole grains. If grains are rolled or cracked they should be used quickly and not stored for too long. Groats maintain their nutrients better than rolled oats as although they are dehusked the starchy material inside the grain is left unexposed to the air and therefore does not deteriorate as fast.

 

Price wise you need to compare apples with apples. Groats have to be substantially more expensive than whole oats to make whole oats worth the purchase as a significant proportion of the weight you buy is husk and not grain.

 

In feeding cattle oats are one of the least efficient grains to feed just because of the wastage in husk.

 

It is better to look $ per %protein and ME than looking at straight $ per kilo. You will find that with the severe dilution to the nutrient value caused by so much husk, that groats will always end up to be better value for your money based on actual digestibility and nutrients per kilo.

Edited January 29, 201015 yr by nubbly5

Steaming, flaking and rolling often increases the digestibility of grains but rolled or cracked grains quality deteriorates faster than whole grains. If grains are rolled or cracked they should be used quickly and not stored for too long. Groats maintain their nutrients better than rolled oats as although they are dehusked the starchy material inside the grain is left unexposed to the air and therefore does not deteriorate as fast.

 

 

Good info..........thanks for that

okay so im not very smart when it comes to understanding stuff so can i just ask

 

i use hulled otes

 

why are these not good ????

apart from the fat bit :hap:

and why are the un husked otes better

remembering i dont care about money its nutrition i want to achive

okay so im not very smart when it comes to understanding stuff so can i just ask

 

i use hulled otes

 

why are these not good ????

apart from the fat bit :hap:

and why are the un husked otes better

remembering i dont care about money its nutrition i want to achive

 

 

 

A seasoned budgie breeder tells me not to use hulled oats due to the processing it goes through. She says it literally ends up husked twice...once by the processing and the second time by the budgie.

Canary seed.......................

I was told it was super important for breeding pairs feeding babies. Then why did most of mine leave the canary seed alone out of the mix, and eat everything else ?

Canary seed.......................

I was told it was super important for breeding pairs feeding babies. Then why did most of mine leave the canary seed alone out of the mix, and eat everything else ?

 

i got told canary seeds for canarys and breeders chicks can die due to it swelling in their gullet

so

why i use finch and palannium seeds till 4 to 5 weeks then i mix more canary in to adjust as they start to crack them selfs

My seed mix,is 50% canary & a mix of millets & I put in some sunflower & groats

& egg & biscuit mix & a cap full of breeders Vetafarm & a slice or 2 of muilty grain,

through the mulcher.I have had no problem,with this mix.

how come everyone is feeding canary mix to a budgie? instead of "budgie mix"???

how come everyone is feeding canary mix to a budgie? instead of "budgie mix"???

It isnt canary mix..........it is canary seed we are talking about. There is one seed in most budgie mixes called a canary seed.

 

 

http://www.gov.mb.ca/trade/globaltrade/agr...s/cta41s01a.jpg

Edited February 5, 201015 yr by KAZ

ohh okay, if its no trouble could someone post a picture of a bag of seed that your ment to feed them ive gone into a petshop and see a million different types of seeds and the budgie mix didnt have any of those seeds in it they were all round little balls.

Read this topic http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=28011&hl=

Read this topic http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....c=28011&hl=

thankyou!!

Seed----------------Carbohydrates----- Fats-------Proteins--------Salt & Minerals

 

Canary seed--------56.0----------------6. 1---------15.1--------------2.1

Millet----------------59.8----------------3.7----------11.1--------------3.1

Linseed-------------22.3----------------34.2---------21.5--------------5.6

Oats----------------59.7----------------4.9-----------10.4--------------2.8

 

 

percentages

 

 

 

 

*****Additional trivia..................if weevils get into your seed storage, did you know there is one seed they wont touch at all ?

 

and it is Japanese millet.

Edited February 6, 201015 yr by KAZ

Gosh really? Why is that? are they not up to weevil standards? hahaahaa

What blend are you using ?

Whats its content ?

Where are you placing the most importance in relation to your chosen seed blend ?

Do you change anything re seed on a seasonal basis ?

Edited February 8, 201015 yr by KAZ

just a quick question, do pet and show budgies diets differ?

To produce quality [long feathered] show budgies we need to feed the feather ie: provide extras that will help produce the desired features. Other than that, they are the same breed, we just altered them through selective pairings, so their diet requirements are the same. Cheers Clearwing