Can I please ask for clarification on this chicks mutation?

I am thinking......Sky Opaline Dominant Pied?

 

If mum is Recessive and dad is normal green...where does the opaline come from?

 

Mum...

 

 

 

 

Dad - (with bushie bestie)!!

 

 

 

 

Chick..

 

 

 

 

 

To get a dominant pied chick a parent has to be one. Mum is dom pied not recessive. Chick is gorgeous and you guessed the chicks mutation exactly right :cake:

 

 

and dad is also split blue.

Edited January 7, 201015 yr by KAZ

Thanks Kaz..... :cake:

 

So when I think that recessive pied only have colour on the bottom half of the body and doms have colour top and bottom half.......that is not the correct way to tell them apart??

Thanks Kaz.....

 

So when I think that recessive pied only have colour on the bottom half of the body and doms have colour top and bottom half.......that is not the correct way to tell them apart??

No :cake: can you see that Mum has iris rings too ?

Edited January 7, 201015 yr by KAZ

I remember which is dominant or recessive by saying that a recessive has recessive iris rings, that the rings have receded. helps me remember!

okay then..... well the eyes have it!! Thank you!!

Can I please ask for clarification on this chicks mutation?

I am thinking......Sky Opaline Dominant Pied?

 

If mum is Recessive and dad is normal green...where does the opaline come from?

 

Mum...

 

 

 

 

Dad - (with bushie bestie)!!

 

 

 

 

Chick..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First of all, I want to say he is extremely gorgeous! I love those beautiful markings on his back!

 

Second of all, I'm a little confused. To be opaline, the dad would have to be split to opaline. (Because he's obviously normal to look at, right?) So that means the chick is a girl. Unless the mother is opaline, then it could be a boy. Not seeing the mom's back, I guess she could be opaline.

 

So, Anne, is she, or isn't she? (Cuz I think the baby looks kind of like a boy. But maybe with a hint of white on cere? -I can't tell)

That's what I was thinking, that Opaline chick definitely looks male, and the only way you'd get a male Opaline out of that pairing was if the mum is Opaline and the dad is split.

Hi Finnie and Jen144...

 

Just found the paperwork on mum......

 

Mum is Cinnamon Violet Clearflight Dominant pied/split recessive....so we must have a girl!!

 

 

 

Hi Finnie and Jen144...

 

Just found the paperwork on mum......

 

Mum is Cinnamon Violet Clearflight Dominant pied/split recessive....so we must have a girl!!

 

 

 

 

 

That's a nice shot of her back. She its pretty too, but her daughter is to die for!

 

By the way, here is a question for any pied experts. Since this mother hen is dom/rec pied, but she looks kind of like df dom pied, would those cinnamon markings that are further down her secondary flights (or coverts?) be the indicator of the /rec pied? (Hope that made sense.)

Oh gosh, that chick is absolutely stunning!!! Beautiful markings! WOW!

Oh gosh, that chick is absolutely stunning!!! Beautiful markings! WOW!

Thanks Amy....I think she is pretty special too!

 

 

When I took a guess at the chicks mutation I forgot to add I thought maybe as well split recessive as she has the patch on the back of her head???So maybe....Sky opaline dominant pied/split recessive?? Would she also be classed as a clearflight???

 

 

Thanks!

Edited January 8, 201015 yr by anne101

she is fantastic looking bird but still looks cockish but i guess as we always say pics are deceving

she will give you some fantastic chicks one day

 

and in answer to someones question

combination pieds can have markings all over bird in unusual ways hence the word combination (mixed pied )

 

their is no real indication you have one but the iris rings are dead give up for a combination pied dom and for a df dom as they look so close to a rececive pied

the only sure way to tell you have one(a df dominant pied) is every nest will be full of single factor dom pieds when put to a normal cock not split for anything

as if a cock bird is split rec pied and hen happens to be split rec pied(but a df dominant pied visually ) you will get 100 percent pieds but in a mix of dom and one or two rec pieds ,the the eyes being the biggest indicate

does this make seance as i can try word it differently if not

Edited January 8, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

she is fantastic looking bird but still looks cockish but i guess as we always say pics are deceving

she will give you some fantastic chicks one day

 

and in answer to someones question

combination pieds can have markings all over bird in unusual ways hence the word combination (mixed pied )

 

their is no real indication you have one but the iris rings are dead give up for a combination pied dom and for a df dom as they look so close to a rececive pied

the only sure way to tell you have one(a df dominant pied) is every nest will be full of single factor dom pieds when put to a normal cock not split for anything

as if a cock bird is split rec pied and hen happens to be split rec pied(but a df dominant pied visually ) you will get 100 percent pieds but in a mix of dom and one or two rec pieds ,the the eyes being the biggest indicate

does this make seance as i can try word it differently if not

 

It makes sense if what you mean is that you have to go by the eyes, not the markings.

 

As an example, I have Phoebe, here:

 

 

Who I originally assumed was DF dom pied. Then I was told she could be Dom/ rec pied. (Combination)

Since she has the odd wing marks further down, away from where you would expect a DF dom, I thought that made sense, and could be an indication.

 

So what you are saying, is that I should check Phoebe's eyes. I don't know why I haven't made that a point before. Off the top of my head, I can't remember iris rings. She is in the nest box, right now, but as it is time to check on her eggs, I will try to get a good look when I flush her out. Maybe this will help all us newbies with our ablity to identify!

she is fantastic looking bird but still looks cockish but i guess as we always say pics are deceving

she will give you some fantastic chicks one day

 

and in answer to someones question

combination pieds can have markings all over bird in unusual ways hence the word combination (mixed pied )

 

their is no real indication you have one but the iris rings are dead give up for a combination pied dom and for a df dom as they look so close to a rececive pied

the only sure way to tell you have one(a df dominant pied) is every nest will be full of single factor dom pieds when put to a normal cock not split for anything

as if a cock bird is split rec pied and hen happens to be split rec pied(but a df dominant pied visually ) you will get 100 percent pieds but in a mix of dom and one or two rec pieds ,the the eyes being the biggest indicate

does this make seance as i can try word it differently if not :sadsorry:

 

It makes sense if what you mean is that you have to go by the eyes, not the markings.

 

As an example, I have Phoebe, here:

 

 

Who I originally assumed was DF dom pied. Then I was told she could be Dom/ rec pied. (Combination)

Since she has the odd wing marks further down, away from where you would expect a DF dom, I thought that made sense, and could be an indication.

 

So what you are saying, is that I should check Phoebe's eyes. I don't know why I haven't made that a point before. Off the top of my head, I can't remember iris rings. She is in the nest box, right now, but as it is time to check on her eggs, I will try to get a good look when I flush her out. Maybe this will help all us newbies with our ablity to identify! :rip:

 

sorry mabe i confussed you a small bit

to know if your bird is df dom, if it look like a rececive pied and has iris rings it most probbly is ...but that alone wont confirm it if its a combination df dom pied as a combination pied may look like a df dom yet be a single factor dom or rec yes the way to tell if its rec or dom is the iriss rings

but to know if its df or just miss placed pied markings from the combination that was mixed .....

to be certain if shes df or single factor the only true way is through breeding her if all chicks a single factor doms every time then she is df dom

how ever this rule is only for combination pieds

as true dom df pieds com from dom to dom pairings

that is not to say they could not of both been split rec pied giving a df /rec pied chick

 

oh well thats why its a pain when the pied genetics are mixed mmmmmmmmmmm

Edited January 9, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

You didn't confuse me, GB. I think I get what you're saying.

 

It's hard to tell the combinations by looking, but if you can breed them to normals and separate their genes, so to speak, and you only get doms, then it's most likely df dom, and if you get the odd norm/rec pied, then you have learned the truth, if it has the rec. pied in there.

 

By the way, I got a look at Phoebe's eyes, and took some (blurry) photos. It was hard to tell. One side looked maybe iris rings, one side looked maybe not.