Is this bird an Olive Green (or Dark green) or a Violet Green? The reason I'm asking is he has some blue/violet feathers on him, which are the same colour as my Cobalt DF Violet. (will you need a picture of the blue to know or is the shade of his green enough?)

 

 

 

Also, he looks about 4-5 months old to me, maybe a bit younger, opinions?

 

Looks like a Dark Green to me, I understand that Olive green is more yellowey.

 

Young bird - no iris ring yet.

looks dark green to me too. and age around 6 - 8 months. no head bars so it has had one moult already

 

 

I see an iris ring starting to become visible.

 

By the way, he's a cutie

Thanks all.

Is this bird an Olive Green (or Dark green) or a Violet Green? The reason I'm asking is he has some blue/violet feathers on him, which are the same colour as my Cobalt DF Violet. (will you need a picture of the blue to know or is the shade of his green enough?)

 

 

 

Also, he looks about 4-5 months old to me, maybe a bit younger, opinions?

 

 

Hey Jenn

 

Is it just me and my strange cinnamon and olive seeing monitor or is his cheek patch almost black? (Apart from the white mottles from the spangle of course!). And personally I'd love to see a picture of his full front and his rump to be sure but happy enpugh to go with dark green on what i can see.

 

And Finnie said it right - he is a real cutie.

well my screen must be match to yours nubbly 5 but i was not game to go their as already two dark greens were given i hate to be told im wrong when i think i could be right also it does look cin and black on wings but i think this is due to spangleing

myself i thought the cheek patches to be very dark to dark for a dark green

this is my violet light green boy who just passed he looks very close in colour and had same cobalty blue sheen depending on light

your bub could be dark green violet as mine is a light green violet put him to a cobalt hen you will find out for sure even to a grey hen

 

 

 

 

 

you can see hes a more mustard green this gives it away along with the dark violet almost black patches on cheek

 

 

so im going to say nothing more exept that mabe a few more photos of him in diffrent lights may help but his cheeks and colour to me suguested violet green as my boy here

You lot make me laugh,whats wrong with just saying they are blue bird or a green bird.

Do they have to be split for violet or what ever & most of the birds that are this or that are only

pet breed birds,show bird would't have such a mixed back ground, that you did't know if they are

Arther or Marther in the colour stakes. :emoticon112:

Okay here's some more photos of him. What do you think; Violet Dark Green? If so, how can you tell if he is single factor or double factor Violet?

Edited December 27, 200915 yr by Jen144

You lot make me laugh,whats wrong with just saying they are blue bird or a green bird.

Do they have to be split for violet or what ever & most of the birds that are this or that are only

pet breed birds,show bird would't have such a mixed back ground, that you did't know if they are

Arther or Marther in the colour stakes. :emoticon112:

 

Curious minds want to know. Simple as that.

You lot make me laugh,whats wrong with just saying they are blue bird or a green bird.

Do they have to be split for violet or what ever & most of the birds that are this or that are only

pet breed birds,show bird would't have such a mixed back ground, that you did't know if they are

Arther or Marther in the colour stakes.

 

macka thing is with pets you want to be able to know the genetic back ground with also all colour enhancing trates if any as so you can bred for certain colours and mutations

 

it is quiet simple to to know these things if you breed your own stock like show breeders do

and keep recolds or weather your bird is

what ever eg a violet bred bird or split to rec pied so on

remembering most the younger people on here come for the advice of us older ones

infact the age does not matter its the experiance we hold that counts as i must say i have learnt some things from alot of the younger people on here in regards to show birds and their breeding be it what to do or what not to do

 

with pet birds i will say this

if your looking to breed a certain colour and we will go with violet as thats the colour enhancer every one talks about here as you say

then theirs a few simple things to do

i belive you should read up on the mutations or colours your wanting to breed

for starters when starting your small flock i sugest you need no more than 20 birds for a nice sized flock to begin with

second

get them from a breeder so you can know exactly whats behind their make up

i know alot of breeders would not know but most of people on here do and i think could provide you with a good little history

you only need to know at least what the mum and dad is

to get a resonable idea the longer they been breeding the better recold you will get of the birds you receve

id buy them all from the same breder as so they are all from the one place and dont run a high risk of illness but would still do the husbandry needed for birds health a good breeder should have enough unrelated stock to sell you

violet birds can only come from violet bred stock so if their is no violets in the stock then you wont be breeding any yourself

and birds holding the violet gene give you more chance of breeding a violet how ever their best breed back to a violet or a deep cobalt for any violets to apear visually

their are many ways to breed violet birds and its a whole nother post so i wont go into it

but

macka

theirs a whole lot of diffrents to a show stock and a pet type budgie as you say

and like you said any good show breed bird always comes with papers if it has no papers then its not really any use to your stock to join any plan you may have

however if your just breeding show stock for enjoyment not to bentch then .... each to their own

not many show breeders keep recolds ive noticed and the ones that do make you feel like a pain in asking them for the history so

 

 

haveing breed pets for comming on 4 years now

for colour and mutation

i understand the want to know exactly whats behind your birds its no diffrent to our want to know exactly what bloodlines our show stock hold

 

 

sorry guys for the essay :doh:

Edited December 28, 200915 yr by GenericBlue

GB I think you would make a good politican. :doh: :D

Hard work to tell sometimes especially with single factor violets. Normal dark greens can often have a blue hue around the rump and vent but in violet dark greens the blueish hue can extend further. In normal dark greens the cheek patch is a deep violet, in violets the violet changes the cheek patch to close to black. In the later photos Jen his cheek patches look reasonably violet - just goes to show the variation that can occur in photos, light and monitors I guess.

 

Looking at these photo's I'd swing more strongly to dark green.

 

Macka I DO agree with you and in 99% of the cases we seem to want to see violet, YF or whatever in genuinely quite normal greens, or call a skyblue a violet sky just because it has some dark blue opalecense around it's neck. In this case the blackish cheek patch in the initial photo indicates to me that there MIGHT be something else there. But a definitive answer can quite often only be found by further breeding.

 

And I wholeheartedly agree with Dave too - it's interesting to see what other people see in different birds too. And might all learn more by discussing why we think a bird is a certain variety - an open and enquiring mind is a good thing when breeding birds.

further breeding is really the only way you will certainly tell

 

my bird has papers and a fam history so i could be sure he was violet green

and breed by a violet breeder

 

however if i was to see him in a shop then i would only of thought him a muddy green

 

violet green is very hard to work out but very useful in breeding strong dark colour into your violets

 

breeding him is really only thing you can do to see his genetic inheritance colour wize or other wize

i myself am one day going to breed violet greens but its very difficult to reconize the colour diffrence

once you know though its quiet easy i been told but for now i will stick to just my sky violets and visuals im just starting to reconize the df violet and belive me the only way to be positive is to breed it so far ive been wrong twice but it shows me im learning to tell the diffrents in the sheen of aqua green on the skyblues wings which all sky blues have so again very hard to tell diffrents from normal sky blue and a df violet sky blue

but im getting ther after 4years

 

politician me .................hu ...not