We ended up paying $5 for every passed in bird so guess who is not going to be offering reasonable stock hens in this manner again (not that i really mind supporting the club either to be honest BUT....) and too bad if anyone comes whinging to me in the future that they can't get reasonable hens.

I wasnt too happy about that either............wont encourage others to be offering birds next auction, will it ?

I anticipate that the $5 fee for unsold birds will not be repeated next year ...

 

I would be surprised if it wasn't repeated Renee. When it comes down to it a club has to run functions at least at break even. Without bird entries to cover the cost, the cost has to be recovered comehow whether people sell birds or not. What I anticipate is either NO written auction or far fewer birds. Way too many birds was the issue. We initially had 40-50 birds lined up and then suddenly that was not going to be enough so everyone was asked if they would like to put in more. The more ended up being about double that - too many and too many elderly offerings.

 

Also the fee tends to keep some people from putting in complete rubbish so it keeps sellers honest and helps buyers get a better selection. Just like the minimum reserve at normal auctions, you still pay 10% or $5 if the bird is passed in........ makes you think a bit more about what you are going to offer for sale (or it should!!!!!). Personally I would never pay even $50 for 4-5 year old bird no matter how good it looked as the chances are it's not going to breed for you - especially when you consider the change in environment that it has to adapt too. Some birds take 12 months to get over that and breed happily and with an old bird you just can't afford to give it 12 months to settle. Nor would I put in anything I did not consider was worth paying $50 for - myself. If I think a bird is worth that, THEN I put it in.

 

The removal of the $5 fee is a big backwards step for buyers AND the club.

I missed this post,it would of saved me a lot of finger tapping,birds in a auction that no one wanted for $5.00

You can only buy so many birds & at the $5 dollars or the reserve the people put on t5hem they did't sell.That $5.00 fee they place on the birds that don't sell,is to stop people putting in birds, that people wont buy.

I have now had a couple of show breeders come on here & state that its not that easy

to sell the cull birds,I can rest easy,it just took a little while, to get the point across. You are right. Before, I thought you were saying all your cull birds were rubbish. Now I realize that anyone will have "rubbish" extras, along with those siblings who are of lesser quality, but still carry great genes. Anyway, I for one, would still like to see pics of your birds, Macka, because I bet they (the non-rubbish ones ) are pretty, and we like pictures here. :hap:

Any way I think I took this subject off topic & that was, what do pet shops do with birds that don;t sell.They vanish into the blue yonder. I once worked in a pet supply store that sold birds, etc , and we had a Blue and Gold Macaw. It had been moved over from another store, because it didn't sell there. It was in our store for several months before it got moved on again. But it's different with the bigger, expensive birds. I doubt that stores would be shifting budgies around. Especially since it would be the normal greens left over at all the different locations.

 

What amazes me is that the pet stores (around here anyway) sell their birds at the rate they do. Personally, I don't know anyone besides myself and a couple of breeders, who even owns a budgie. So who out there is buying them? Such that the stores need to re-stock every month or two? Maybe this "vanish into blue yonder" theory is much more common than the stores would like us to believe.

 

That $5.00 fee they place on the birds that don't sell,is to stop people putting in birds, that people wont buy. :rofl:

 

Not being present there, I've never been to club meeting or auctions. I was having a little trouble following this part of the debate. Now it makes perfect sense to me. So, these club auctions you have, they are more for fund-raising and helping newbie fanciers, rather than unloading the "rubbish", huh? And quality would be more important than quantity. In fact, a huge influx of "rubbish" birds that just come in and go back home would just cause a lot of work and headache for the club volunteers running it, without generating any funds, wouldn't they?

Finni,I will say this for you,you are a quick learner.

Yes the good auction will only allow the year before ring

& the currant ring, & the $5 dollars,if they don't sell,

to keep the rubbish out.

Not being present there, I've never been to club meeting or auctions. I was having a little trouble following this part of the debate. Now it makes perfect sense to me. So, these club auctions you have, they are more for fund-raising and helping newbie fanciers, rather than unloading the "rubbish", huh? And quality would be more important than quantity. In fact, a huge influx of "rubbish" birds that just come in and go back home would just cause a lot of work and headache for the club volunteers running it, without generating any funds, wouldn't they?

 

 

Bingo! And if an auction gets a reputation for just offering rubbish birds, there won't be any serious buyers turn up anyway. A whole hall full of people trying to sell rubbish to each other just isn't going to help anyone.

 

Mind you the "pretty bird" brigade still operates in these circles too so if you put in a rubbish violet or something more in the blue range, it'll often still bid well. You can tell who the real breeders are by what they purchase too. Good features in a grey green snapped up for a bargain = breeder who knows where they are going. Tiny little blue bird heavily competed for = breeders still stuck in "pretty bird" land. This is "Nubbly's simplified scale of show breeders". A bit of a generalisation of course. AND not a judgement on pet budgie breeders either I think that if you choose to do that, that's great but I think that breeding good show budgies takes so much effort and dedication that trying to be all things to all people is a hiding to nowhere. Hence a lot of us show breeders often have trouble moving our culls as it limits your selling market to other show breeders on the whole.

 

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

Edited January 7, 201015 yr by nubbly5

Not being present there, I've never been to club meeting or auctions. I was having a little trouble following this part of the debate. Now it makes perfect sense to me. So, these club auctions you have, they are more for fund-raising and helping newbie fanciers, rather than unloading the "rubbish", huh? And quality would be more important than quantity. In fact, a huge influx of "rubbish" birds that just come in and go back home would just cause a lot of work and headache for the club volunteers running it, without generating any funds, wouldn't they?

 

 

Bingo! And if an auction gets a reputation for just offering rubbish birds, there won't be any serious buyers turn up anyway. A whole hall full of people trying to sell rubbish to each other just isn't going to help anyone.

 

Mind you the "pretty bird" brigade still operates in these circles too so if you put in a rubbish violet or something more in the blue range, it'll often still bid well. You can tell who the real breeders are by what they purchase too. Good features in a grey green snapped up for a bargain = breeder who knows where they are going. Tiny little blue bird heavily competed for = breeders still stuck in "pretty bird" land. This is "Nubbly's simplified scale of show breeders". A bit of a generalisation of course. AND not a judgement on pet budgie breeders either I think that if you choose to do that, that's great but I think that breeding good show budgies takes so much effort and dedication that trying to be all things to all people is a hiding to nowhere. Hence a lot of us show breeders often have trouble moving our culls as it limits your selling market to other show breeders on the whole.

 

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

i agree with you nubbly about the auction thing

you can tell whos their to better birds and whos their to buy lots of big names to breed a hopeful

i as you all know breed both pets and im having a go at show

i have totally different principals for both birds i breed

but i do find as i breed pets also the more experienced show breeders still look at me as if im going to get no where fast

this makes my task harder to gain good stock as some breeders believe their sending good stock to be wasted

why dont they have much faith in us beginners thats what i want to know

as kaz said once . most start out with pet and move up

this is simply what im doing i just plan to take my time before putting something on the bench as i want to get my own line happening this is soooooooo not easy

theirs so much to work out and its not like the foundation bird i choose is going to be good just as he is good and has background

its very hard to getinto showing birds and if it wasnt for people like yourself nubbly who do sell decent cull birds here i for one would still be looking for a few good stud cocks

i guess i just cant understand how so many birds can be breed each year with no where for them to be sold when theirs so many beggiers out their looking for a few lesser birds to begin with

i do understand you now macka just

i guess im just finding it very hard to get anything worth even breeding so i for one am willing to look at all and if even one screams out i would grab it

i decided to just slowly breed my own birds for my breeding just takes time as not all birds are great standed when your cocks are good but hens are not worth their genetics

this is where im stuck right now :cake:

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

317 898-8394 317-359-5341

Edited January 7, 201015 yr by KAZ

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

3170 898-8394 317-359-5341

 

 

Man, you are good!

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

3170 898-8394 317-359-5341

 

 

Man, you are good!

 

 

Amateur super sleuth :cake:

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

3170 898-8394 317-359-5341

 

 

Man, you are good!

 

 

Amateur super sleuth :cake:

 

Well, since you did the leg-work, I'll make the call! :hb:

 

(I fear we are getting a little off topic here. :hb: )

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

3170 898-8394 317-359-5341

 

 

Man, you are good!

 

 

Amateur super sleuth :cake:

 

Well, since you did the leg-work, I'll make the call! :hb:

 

(I fear we are getting a little off topic here. :hb: )

 

This whole topic has slid off topic

Are there many Budgie clubs in Indiana, Finnie? Or in the US generally?

 

 

As far as I can tell, there is only one club here. It is for all caged bird species, not just budgies. And I don't think there are any "shows" like you guys have, just what they call "bird fairs" where they have a lot of vendors' tables set up and also breeders have tables with cages of their various babies/adults for sale. The club here holds 3 of these per year, and some of the breeders I have found will use this as a way to stock up on their seed in bulk for the year. (With more birds, I am considering doing this, too.)

 

I've been to the American Budgerigar Society website, and it is obvious that there is a serious side to the fancy in the U.S. But I just don't think it finds it's way to the more northern states.

 

Indiana Budgerigar Society

3170 898-8394 317-359-5341

 

 

Man, you are good!

 

 

Amateur super sleuth :cake:

 

Well, since you did the leg-work, I'll make the call! :hb:

 

(I fear we are getting a little off topic here. :hap: )

 

This whole topic has slid off topic

 

:hb: :rofl: