That little budgie is just so cute! How old is he?

That little budgie is just so cute! How old is he?

 

 

He is 25 days old.

They grow up so fast. :laughter:

They grow up so fast.

 

 

They sure do! Seems like January 3rd was just yesterday! :laughter:

Well, I couldn't get Patrick to "hold still" this morning, so please excuse the adult nature of the photo.

 

 

Even though it's blurry, you can get the idea that there is yellow in his flight feathers!

Yes, I'd say Patrick is a Green series Clearflighted Dommie Pied, in the blue series the clear flights are completely white :laughter:

Well, I couldn't get Patrick to "hold still" this morning.

Even though it's blurry, you can get the idea that there is yellow in his flight feathers!

 

Yes, I'd say Patrick is a Green series Clearflighted Dommie Pied, in the blue series the clear flights are completely white :hap:

 

So that means that all of his chicks will have one or the other pied, right?

 

I have noticed that they all seem pied, but different markings.

 

I've never really seen a clearflighted pied, (other than Pat's combo) so it will be interesting to see the differences in the chicks as they feather out more! Oh, and one of them is blue series, so Patrick is definitely split to blue!

So that means that all of his chicks will have one or the other pied, right?

 

I have noticed that they all seem pied, but different markings.

 

I've never really seen a clearflighted pied, (other than Pat's combo) so it will be interesting to see the differences in the chicks as they feather out more! Oh, and one of them is blue series, so Patrick is definitely split to blue!

 

Not necessarily all chicks will be Dominant Pied, if paired to a hen carrying recessive variety genes then the Dommie Pied will 'dominate' but if you pair to a dominant variety, such as a Normal, then your odds are more 50:50.

 

Who is Pat paired to?

So that means that all of his chicks will have one or the other pied, right?

 

I have noticed that they all seem pied, but different markings.

 

I've never really seen a clearflighted pied, (other than Pat's combo) so it will be interesting to see the differences in the chicks as they feather out more! Oh, and one of them is blue series, so Patrick is definitely split to blue!

 

Not necessarily all chicks will be Dominant Pied, if paired to a hen carrying recessive variety genes then the Dommie Pied will 'dominate' but if you pair to a dominant variety, such as a Normal, then your odds are more 50:50.

 

Who is Pat paired to?

 

He's paired to Finnie, who is normal, with no pied spot.

I think Marigold is split to blue, too

So that means that all of his chicks will have one or the other pied, right?

 

I have noticed that they all seem pied, but different markings.

 

I've never really seen a clearflighted pied, (other than Pat's combo) so it will be interesting to see the differences in the chicks as they feather out more! Oh, and one of them is blue series, so Patrick is definitely split to blue!

 

Not necessarily all chicks will be Dominant Pied, if paired to a hen carrying recessive variety genes then the Dommie Pied will 'dominate' but if you pair to a dominant variety, such as a Normal, then your odds are more 50:50.

 

Who is Pat paired to?

He's paired to Finnie, who is normal,

Well that's genetics in practice for you

 

with no pied spot.

Only the split Recessive Pieds carry a small spot on the back of their heads (like a couple of feathers), confusing I know, I got it all mixed up when I was starting out

 

Visually Dommie Pieds have a much bigger spot.

So here is what I figured I would get from this pair.

 

Patrick is dark green (now we know he's split to blue) dom pied (or Renee, you are saying he's a clearflight pied/ dom pied combo) black barred wings (which we now know he is split to some type of greywing, cuz there are greywing chicks in the clutch.)

 

Finnie is a cobalt or violet greywing normal.

 

So, the chicks can be:

 

Green/blue or

just blue.

 

Any dark factor. (They can get 0 or 1 from Patrick, and same from Finnie) Remember the table, they can be 25% 0 factor, 50% 1 factors, or 25% 2 factors.

 

They can have black wing bars and be split for greywing, or they can just be greywing.

 

Now for the pieds. They will just get normal from Finnie. They will get either the dom pied gene from Pat, or the Clearflight Pied gene. (Assuming he is a combo.) If he is just single factor clearflight pied, then he could pass on a normal gene, but we will assume not for now.

 

So the chicks will be 50% dom pied/normal, and 50% clearflight pied/normal

 

 

I was not surprised to see that Patrick was split for blue, but I was surprised to see that he is split for greywing. Now, I am hoping that he is also split for opaline, and, fingers crossed, there is a chick whose down seems lighter than the others. (By the way, I am learning to tell the difference, it seems that even grey down starts out light, and then darkens a little.) So if this light chick stays light, then I could have an opaline hen! (I think she's going to be blue series, because I'm not seeing any yellow pin feathers on her.)

 

I know you guys want pictures. They are coming. It takes a long time to upload to photobucket, and then to figure out which ones to keep or delete. I am planning to do a cere study, coming soon. I just wanted to put this in about Patrick's genetics while it seemed appropriate.

Only the split Recessive Pieds carry a small spot on the back of their heads (like a couple of feathers), confusing I know, I got it all mixed up when I was starting out

 

and not all split recessives carry the spot anyway...some do and some dont.

Here is a picture of Colleen and Sean's oldest.

 

He decided to come out of the nest box yesterday morning. I put him back in, and he hasn't come out again, but I made an ice cream carton igloo for him just in case. I don't think our American cardboard cartons work as well as your Australian plastic ones!

 

But it is okay for now. I put some oatmeal and seed mix in the bottom of it for bedding/eating practice.

 

 

Do I spy a greywing?! YF skyblue greywing?............. Very cute and I can almost feel the excitement from here!!!! Sh*t sorry missed a page again!!!!! You obviously covered the greywing thing last page

Edited February 1, 201015 yr by nubbly5

Only the split Recessive Pieds carry a small spot on the back of their heads (like a couple of feathers), confusing I know, I got it all mixed up when I was starting out

 

and not all split recessives carry the spot anyway...some do and some dont.

 

Great, I hope Finnie doesn't mess up the whole thing by throwing a recessive pied gene in!

 

 

Here is a picture of Colleen and Sean's oldest.

 

He decided to come out of the nest box yesterday morning. I put him back in, and he hasn't come out again, but I made an ice cream carton igloo for him just in case. I don't think our American cardboard cartons work as well as your Australian plastic ones!

 

But it is okay for now. I put some oatmeal and seed mix in the bottom of it for bedding/eating practice.

 

 

Do I spy a greywing?! YF skyblue greywing?............. Very cute and I can almost feel the excitement from here!!!! Sh*t sorry missed a page again!!!!! You obviously covered the greywing thing last page

 

Nubbly, you are so funny!

 

 

The ironic part is that a yf2 skyblue greywing was my first original goal, until I found one (Kelly) in the petstore. I was originally going to pair Colleen, the mother of this chick with a skyblue greywing male to get a yf2/greywing, and then pair that up with Finnie, to hopefully make this chick, and here he is popping out first when I least expected it, from Sean! I didn't need all those extra birds after all!

The ironic part is that a yf2 skyblue greywing was my first original goal, until I found one (Kelly) in the petstore. I was originally going to pair Colleen, the mother of this chick with a skyblue greywing male to get a yf2/greywing, and then pair that up with Finnie, to hopefully make this chick, and here he is popping out first when I least expected it, from Sean! I didn't need all those extra birds after all!

 

We all go down that path when we start out 'trying' to breed something!

The ironic part is that a yf2 skyblue greywing was my first original goal, until I found one (Kelly) in the petstore. I was originally going to pair Colleen, the mother of this chick with a skyblue greywing male to get a yf2/greywing, and then pair that up with Finnie, to hopefully make this chick, and here he is popping out first when I least expected it, from Sean! I didn't need all those extra birds after all!

 

We all go down that path when we start out 'trying' to breed something!

 

 

But it's fun, anyway! And now I have four other "goal" mutations to mix together, so just about all of my purchased birds will be able to contribute. (I must admit that though I was looking for "breeding stock" with certain mutations, a couple were bought just because I liked something about the particular bird.)

Well, I couldn't get Patrick to "hold still" this morning, so please excuse the adult nature of the photo.

 

 

Even though it's blurry, you can get the idea that there is yellow in his flight feathers!

Yes, I'd say Patrick is a Green series Clearflighted Dommie Pied, in the blue series the clear flights are completely white

 

 

okay, so we've been discussing what type of Pied Patrick is. And we figured that if he is a combo, then he won't have any normal gene to give to his offspring. Well, here is some evidence:

 

 

 

 

This chick appears to be normal, with no pied markings at all! (Unless someone out there can point out pied markings that I am unable to see.)

 

Which means Patrick must not be a combo pied, but either dom pied OR clearflight pied.

 

Here are mor pics of the chick:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And some more pics of Patrick:

 

 

 

 

 

I know these arent' the best pictures for the purpose, but I think they do show the extent of his markings, and that his flights are a lighter yellow than his body. I can look for more if needed.

 

So, the big question is, what do we think Patrick is now?

I think he is a dominant pied - which sort (as there are a few) is a bit of a guess.

I think he is a dominant pied - which sort (as there are a few) is a bit of a guess.

 

 

Great. There is more than one sort of dommie pied? okay, we might as well dig in. What are they?

i think he is dom pied

i still dont get the clearflight pied dom thing i gave up so....no help sorry

Well, I couldn't get Patrick to "hold still" this morning, so please excuse the adult nature of the photo.

 

 

Even though it's blurry, you can get the idea that there is yellow in his flight feathers!

Yes, I'd say Patrick is a Green series Clearflighted Dommie Pied, in the blue series the clear flights are completely white

 

 

okay, so we've been discussing what type of Pied Patrick is. And we figured that if he is a combo, then he won't have any normal gene to give to his offspring. Well, here is some evidence:

 

So, the big question is, what do we think Patrick is now?

 

Oh I see now I was under the impression that the "clean" wings indicated Clearflighted Pied, over here we don't have a Class for them so they get lumped in with the Dominant Pieds which is why I called him a Clearflighted Dominant Pied!!!! Most would just say he was a Dommie Pied.

 

He is NOT a combo. He is SF Dommie Pied.

 

IF you pair up 2 Dommie Pieds you can breed a DF Dommie Pied, but they are long tubular birds with Recessive Pied-like markings. Not advisable.

Edited February 3, 201015 yr by renee

He is a sf dom pied from what I can see.

Well, I couldn't get Patrick to "hold still" this morning, so please excuse the adult nature of the photo.

 

 

Even though it's blurry, you can get the idea that there is yellow in his flight feathers!

Yes, I'd say Patrick is a Green series Clearflighted Dommie Pied, in the blue series the clear flights are completely white

 

 

okay, so we've been discussing what type of Pied Patrick is. And we figured that if he is a combo, then he won't have any normal gene to give to his offspring. Well, here is some evidence:

 

So, the big question is, what do we think Patrick is now?

 

Oh I see now I was under the impression that the "clean" wings indicated Clearflighted Pied, over here we don't have a Class for them so they get lumped in with the Dominant Pieds which is why I called him a Clearflighted Dominant Pied!!!! Most would just say he was a Dommie Pied.

 

He is NOT a combo. He is SF Dommie Pied.

 

IF you pair up 2 Dommie Pieds you can breed a DF Dommie Pied, but they are long tubular birds with Recessive Pied-like markings. Not advisable.

 

why do you say this is not avisable ren

if you have two very well marked good sized birds with good carictoristics and you pair them up

and get df doms

mabe they not showable but when put with a normal all chicks will be dom so this getting you ahead in your dom pied breeding

most times the markings come out perfict as they carry the perfict marked gene

 

IF you pair up 2 Dommie Pieds you can breed a DF Dommie Pied, but they are long tubular birds with Recessive Pied-like markings. Not advisable.

 

why do you say this is not avisable ren

if you have two very well marked good sized birds with good carictoristics and you pair them up

and get df doms

mabe they not showable but when put with a normal all chicks will be dom so this getting you ahead in your dom pied breeding

most times the markings come out perfict as they carry the perfict marked gene

Agree with GB. Not everyone breeds for show and you must remember that when advising about breeding.

IF you pair up 2 Dommie Pieds you can breed a DF Dommie Pied, but they are long tubular birds with Recessive Pied-like markings. Not advisable.

 

why do you say this is not avisable ren

if you have two very well marked good sized birds with good carictoristics and you pair them up

and get df doms

mabe they not showable but when put with a normal all chicks will be dom so this getting you ahead in your dom pied breeding

most times the markings come out perfict as they carry the perfict marked gene

Agree with GB. Not everyone breeds for show and you must remember that when advising about breeding.

No, no, no, no, no! I didn't mean it like that!

 

By all means, pair 2 Dommies together and produce DF Dommies - the only problem is that they do not look like Dommies and so can be very confusing for the uninitiated.