Hi, I have a problem with recognising mutation of one of my parrots

I don't know if these pictures are good enough for you, but maybe You can help me.

it's her pictures when i bought her (young):

 

when she grown up:

 

and here a give picture of her parrents (this with red corss on them) and some of her brothers and sisters. I'm not sure if her mother is lutino or creamino (if she is creamino, my parrot can't be olive can she?). Owner of this parrots told me that parrents of tha mother (ino) was both blue, but I can't be sure...

In her photo she looks like a Yellowface Type 2 Cinnamon Mauve which is creating more of a greyish color.

 

If the mom is a Yellowface Ino (blue based bird) then yes 2 blue birds can not produce a green bird but the ino gene does mask the dark factors of if your bird is a mauve she would need 2 dark factors from both parents.

and that's what i think - her brother (also on pictures) is mauve, so i think she could be YF2 mauve.

Edited December 2, 200915 yr by Zuzel

I agree with Elly

In the top photos she has not broken cap yet which makes it easier to see her real colour with less suffusion. She is also cinnamon so body colour is lightened and therefore will show yellow more readily.

 

Mother is definitely creamino and as Elly says ino can mask a dark factor.

 

And I'll take a punt on father being a GF and mother being a YF M2.

 

The baby's cheek patch is also pretty dark which indicates to me a dark factor bird.

 

Also the patch of light mauve on the lower belly area on the bird as an unbroken cap definietly indicates a YF bird of some sort to me but the extensive and quite strong yellow suffusion says GF.

 

And (assuming no colony breeding) parents cannot produce a green bird, again as Elly says.

 

So I'll go for:

 

SF GF Cinnamon Opaline Mauve.

Agree there with the Opaline, I missed that one good eye, as for the GF gene and YF gene that I can't argue or agree because it confused me a bit on how to visually see it unless it is really yellow lol.

this is so great news

I want to breed rainbows, and you can't imagine how hard it is here, in Poland... Most breeders have only small idea about mutations :/

When I ask about clear wings, they show me a lot of beautiful... dominant pied or spangles So I learn about mutations from sites wrote in english, and from pictures of parrots (what is hard - sometimes even pictures have wrong description, and colours are little diffrent than in reality)

I know one man, who is writing articles about budgie mutations, but when he saw this pictures he said that it's for sure olive... But I wasn't so sure and you say that I may by wright

 

thanks for Your help

Edited December 3, 200915 yr by Zuzel

There is no way it is a olive because of the parents both being blue based. . Gorgeous birds.

Yesterday I read about violet factor. I didn't know that it's attached to dark factor.. If its so, then when I pair this YF hen with visual violet cock (i suppose SF) I should expect or:

50% visual violets + 50% mauves

or:

50% cobalts + 50% violet mauves?

 

I know the genetics of other mutations, I'm just not sure about violet.

And - can you give me some links to pictures were i can compare mauve to mauve violet? Is there visible difference between them? (again - here almost nobody know exact mutations of his budgies... --> i will when I'l start to breed them )