Hi All, I am trying to figure out what this pair must be split for.

 

 

These are their 8 chicks. If I have them correct.

 

OpalineCock

 

Spangle Hen

 

Spangle Cock with head spot

 

Gr Norm.C. 9(headspot)

 

Y.F.Bl Opaline Cock.

Op. Spangle 90% sure Hen

 

Olive Spangle Cock

 

Opaline Bl. Hen?

 

Because I have both sex's opaline and spangle but neither parent look's opaline, Mum maybe spangle x ? I'm lost!!

Mum cannot be a spangle X as you say, because spangle is dominant and cannot be a split, but she can be a spangle recessive pied thus producing spangles. One parent has to be a visual spangle to get spangles. She is recessive ppied so she must be spangle recessive pied. She must also be opaline recessive pied spangle. Dad is split for opaline also, and they are split for blue. Mum seems to be olive possibly, and you do seem to have some dark factor babies.

Edited November 25, 200915 yr by KAZ

Are they breed in a breeding box or

in a colenay, with other birds.

Agree with Kaz except I think mum might be mauve yellow face but it's hard to tell from the picture.

Agree with Kaz except I think mum might be mauve yellow face but it's hard to tell from the picture.

 

 

Either way she is dark factor ?

 

More photos please of the Mum ?

Thank's Kaz. When I first put picture of hen up,(ages ago), she was said to be Ty. 2 Y.Faced Rec. Grey Pied?THINKING OUT LOUD: So the Spangle's come from her? She has a few spangle type feathers on wings. The opaline could be from both then? Because I have both cocks and hens, opaline? The blue spangle's one hen, one cock(could be opaline as well)with dom pied spot? Spangle must be Mum + pied spot? One pair are olive? one opaline spangle hen, the other spangle cock. Spangle, must be Mum? So the cock bird is probably split opaline,split blue? but not spangle.Hen is split for everything else? Opaline, pied, spangle, blue/green? Because we have both sex's in blue spangle AND olive spangle where does Colour's cross?Hi Macka, No caged so all are from this pair.

Colours (blue etc) aren't sex linked and hens can't be split for opaline.

 

If mum was guessed as a Grey Type 2 Yellow Faced Recessive Pied then I'd say go with it but add Spangle and Opaline and change Grey to Mauve (mauve is often mistaken for grey from what I've heard).

 

Dad Normal Green split for opaline and blue.

Edited November 26, 200915 yr by Linda_S

Thank's Kaz. When I first put picture of hen up,(ages ago), she was said to be Ty. 2 Y.Faced Rec. Grey Pied?THINKING OUT LOUD: So the Spangle's come from her? She has a few spangle type feathers on wings. The opaline could be from both then? Because I have both cocks and hens, opaline? YES BUT MUM ISNT SPLIT OPALINE ...SHE IS OPALINE

 

The blue spangle's one hen, one cock(could be opaline as well)with dom pied spot? NOT DOM PIED SPOT........RECESSIVE OR THE SPOT THAT SOME SPANGLES HAVE

Spangle must be Mum + pied spot? SPANGLE HAS TO BE FROM MUM AS A PARENT HAS TO BE A SPANGLE TO PRODUCE SPANGLES...SPANGLE CAN GO UNNOTICED A LITTLE IN RECESSIVE PIEDS IF THE MARKINGS ARE A LITTLE OBSCURE OVER WINGS

One pair are olive? one opaline spangle hen, the other spangle cock. Spangle, must be Mum? So the cock bird is probably split opaline,split blue?

YES

but not spangle. NO

Hen is split for everything else? Opaline, pied, spangle, blue/green? NO...YOU CANNOT HAVE A BIRD THAT IS SPLIT SPANGLE...SHE IS OR SHE ISNT,,,SO SHE HAS TO BE SPANGLE REC PIED.

Because we have both sex's in blue spangle AND olive spangle where does NOT SEX LINKED SO DOESNT MATTER

Colour's cross?

LUCK OF THE DRAW WHEN A PARENT OR PARENTS ARE SPLIT BLUE ETC

Hi Macka, No caged so all are from this pair.

Edited November 26, 200915 yr by KAZ

Colours (blue etc) aren't sex linked and hens can't be split for opaline.

 

If mum was guessed as a Grey Type 2 Yellow Faced Recessive Pied then I'd say go with it but add Spangle and Opaline and change Grey to Mauve (mauve is often mistaken for grey from what I've heard).

 

Dad Normal Green split for opaline and blue.

 

this hen is defenently yf rec pied opaline spangle

i breed all time

i think if you go back look at the post i did say i think she was either mauve or violet not sure if i mentioned the opaline and spangled

 

im going to say oviously not it is hard from pics to see opaline and spangle in a yf rec pied even in life its not till chicks fleged i can some thimes tell

 

dad is as said split opaline

 

so that above is your awnser as kaz said df who cares what colour its the factor needed when breeding so as you can work out what colours you can get in future

More pictures of Mum.

 

 

 

 

 

enhanced colour to try to show cheek patch . Pale mauve but she is moulting doesn't help much

YF Mauve recessive pied spangle and she is carrying the spangle kind of cheek patches

Thank's again Kaz. If I've got it does this mean, THIS HEN can produce any or all of the same chicks if she is paired with another normal cock. eg spangles, pieds opaline or normal's depending on sex of chick's and Mauve as well? Because this Cock was only carrying blue/ +opaline which she also has. Sorry to be a pest.

Thank's again Kaz. If I've got it does this mean, THIS HEN can produce any or all of the same chicks if she is paired with another normal cock. eg spangles, pieds opaline or normal's depending on sex of chick's and Mauve as well? Because this Cock was only carrying blue/ +opaline which she also has. Sorry to be a pest.

Yes, I would say so ...this hen gives you a lot of possibilities...just dont pair her to a normal green who isnt split for blue

Edited November 26, 200915 yr by KAZ

Thank's G.B. and Linda_s, I am trying to think ahead for next season as to which birds to pair for which result. I don't want to end up with heaps of one sort. But with the variety I got from this bird she's a clever little first timer I'd say. Thank's again for your help, I guess I can do some more reading on genetic's it's hard if you don't know the history of your birds until they breed. "Gotcha" l.o.l.

Thank's G.B. and Linda_s, I am trying to think ahead for next season as to which birds to pair for which result. I don't want to end up with heaps of one sort. But with the variety I got from this bird she's a clever little first timer I'd say. Thank's again for your help, I guess I can do some more reading on genetic's it's hard if you don't know the history of your birds until they breed. "Gotcha" l.o.l.

 

 

If next year's cock is split for recessive pied, you can add that to the list, too

Thank's G.B. and Linda_s, I am trying to think ahead for next season as to which birds to pair for which result. I don't want to end up with heaps of one sort. But with the variety I got from this bird she's a clever little first timer I'd say. Thank's again for your help, I guess I can do some more reading on genetic's it's hard if you don't know the history of your birds until they breed. "Gotcha" l.o.l.

 

 

If next year's cock is split for recessive pied, you can add that to the list, too

If she is already a recessive pied, as other's have said would it matter if cock was split pied as well or would she still maybe breed pied's?

Thank's G.B. and Linda_s, I am trying to think ahead for next season as to which birds to pair for which result. I don't want to end up with heaps of one sort. But with the variety I got from this bird she's a clever little first timer I'd say. Thank's again for your help, I guess I can do some more reading on genetic's it's hard if you don't know the history of your birds until they breed. "Gotcha" l.o.l.

 

 

If next year's cock is split for recessive pied, you can add that to the list, too

If she is already a recessive pied, as other's have said would it matter if cock was split pied as well or would she still maybe breed pied's?

Thank's G.B. and Linda_s, I am trying to think ahead for next season as to which birds to pair for which result. I don't want to end up with heaps of one sort. But with the variety I got from this bird she's a clever little first timer I'd say. Thank's again for your help, I guess I can do some more reading on genetic's it's hard if you don't know the history of your birds until they breed. "Gotcha" l.o.l.

 

 

If next year's cock is split for recessive pied, you can add that to the list, too

If she is already a recessive pied, as other's have said would it matter if cock was split pied as well or would she still maybe breed pied's?

Thank's Kaz,I have tried to work things out from these tables. BUT there's always a but isn't there. As hen is rec.+ umpteen other bits, cock is also split normal. Does this mean all the chicks are split rec. as well? And do they carry parents other traits as well?

Thank's Kaz,I have tried to work things out from these tables. BUT there's always a but isn't there. As hen is rec.+ umpteen other bits, cock is also split normal. Does this mean all the chicks are split rec. as well? And do they carry parents other traits as well?

 

 

Robyn, the short answer is "yes, sort of".

 

You need a separate table for each of the "umpteen bits".

 

You have the recessive pied worked out, I think, except that the cock is not "split normal" he's "normal split recessive pied" (The normal is dominant to the rec. pied.)

 

Yes, all of the chicks are split rec. pied; they got it from their mother. Every baby she ever produces will get this from her, since she is "double factor" for rec. pied.

 

The same goes for all the parents other traits as well. For each trait, they will get one copy of the gene from the father, one from the mother. That's where the separate tables come in, to figure out what combinations are possible from a given father and mother, for each separate trait.

 

There are links around here I've seen to a good site where it is explained fairly simply for each budgie color and mutation. I will go to find it and add it here. the budgie place

 

Each of the traits talked about in the article have a place where you can click to see more genetic details. These are very helpful. Good luck, have fun

Edited November 28, 200915 yr by Finnie

Thank's Kaz,I have tried to work things out from these tables. BUT there's always a but isn't there. As hen is rec.+ umpteen other bits, cock is also split normal. Does this mean all the chicks are split rec. as well? And do they carry parents other traits as well?

 

 

Robyn, the short answer is "yes, sort of".

 

You need a separate table for each of the "umpteen bits".

 

You have the recessive pied worked out, I think, except that the cock is not "split normal" he's "normal split recessive pied" (The normal is dominant to the rec. pied.)

 

Yes, all of the chicks are split rec. pied; they got it from their mother. Every baby she ever produces will get this from her, since she is "double factor" for rec. pied.

 

The same goes for all the parents other traits as well. For each trait, they will get one copy of the gene from the father, one from the mother. That's where the separate tables come in, to figure out what combinations are possible from a given father and mother, for each separate trait.

 

There are links around here I've seen to a good site where it is explained fairly simply for each budgie color and mutation. I will go to find it and add it here. the budgie place

 

Each of the traits talked about in the article have a place where you can click to see more genetic details. These are very helpful. Good luck, have fun

Thanks Finnie, That has simplified things a bit, the Cock bird in question is Green Normal split for blue and opaline apparently. Not rec. pied. So all the chicks have same traits of Mum & Dad so they will be as hard to work out, what they might produce, as Mum? All in the luck of the draw. Thank's again for your help.

I find the genetic calculator found at the following link is good.

 

1.0 is male and 0.1 is female.

All birds are normal greens unless boxes are ticked to indicate they are not.

 

Budgerigar Genetic Calculator

 

Even if you know the answer, try to put the question of "what am I?" up on this board. Some of us love trying to figure them out

I find the genetic calculator found at the following link is good.

 

1.0 is male and 0.1 is female.

All birds are normal greens unless boxes are ticked to indicate they are not.

 

Budgerigar Genetic Calculator

 

Even if you know the answer, try to put the question of "what am I?" up on this board. Some of us love trying to figure them out :laughter:

Thank's Dave Had a quick look, will come back to it when I have a bit of time to check it out further. Many thanks