The cheek patches can confirm for us sceptics that they are not greygreens. The violet factors, mixed in with dark factors, seem to be causing us the confusion of what colour 2 of the young birds are.

again cheeks look purple not blue so...?being spangled if was also df violet skyblue would look normal sky blue

 

sorry but ive never heard of DF violet turning to appear normal.

 

Voilet could be a factor here - but both cheek and tail feathers are the key to a grey-green or not, and now both those chicks look to have black tails to me.

again cheeks look purple not blue so...?being spangled if was also df violet skyblue would look normal sky blue

 

sorry but ive never heard of DF violet turning to appear normal.

 

Voilet could be a factor here - but both cheek and tail feathers are the key to a grey-green or not, and now both those chicks look to have black tails to me.

 

well

to tell you the truth i didnt even think it was ture but

the only reason i have violets cumming out my butt is as my very first brought sky blue bird just happens toi be df violet

he is sky blue his tail feathers are not much different to my other sky blue birds but you can just see the definitely aqua ting not your normal bluesy green

its easy to see chicks in nest with this df but once fledged and molted its vertically imposable apart from breeding results

 

i dont know thats just what i was told

i did read it somewhere which brought me to ask a breeder and he confirmed and i tell you being taught the diffrents so pays off in the nests :rofl:

Chick number 3 definitely looks like an opaline greygreen to me.Colony breeding?

Me too.

Could be olive. Need to see the cheek patch. Opaline slightly fades body colour remember, so they can easily be mistaken for grey green. Cheek patch will tell.Also NO they will not ALL be olive chicks. single dark factor birds bred together (Dd x Dd) will give you 25% chance no dark factor (dd), 50% chance single dark factor (Dd) and 25% chance of double dark factor (DD).

okay first the cock bird does seem to be normal green however your friend with the big gloves hid the part of the wing i wanted to see so that kills that however i want you to look see if his under wing is blue i would say its not but i still want you to check just to be sure that hen is sky violet would i be right in saying shes cinnamon or is she just normal spangle i cant see her back in picture ?this little one is his cheek patches kind of look black or really dark purple ?or is it just the picture ?this next chick his patches also look purple not blue like dads am i right or wrong please tell me ?this one is deep purple patches and going on the bronze color he looks to me to be holding violet and possibly yellow suffuse why i ask about the father ? dad would have to be split blue to produce a blue chick so he could be split to blue with the violet modifier(only a thought ) how ever he also looks like he could be single factor agf sky blue if he is he will look green as he does but under his wing will be blue across to under its wing pit all along the edge working in which could explain this golden bronzed look of this young chick if not then im stumped myself i only say this as dads flights look to me to look quiet aqua-r-eebut this too could be my screen but in the black it seems more brownny with ting of bluish green aqua r ee colour i dont know ?you tell me dads patches look deep purple here indicating violet he may not be agf but hes definitely violet light green if not (i think)again a real aqua ting in tail feathers suggesting violet modifier in df form in this chick and a sky blue again cheeks look purple not blue so...?being spangled if was also df violet skyblue would look normal sky blue im so probbly compleatly off line here but thats what i see weather its right well ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????i wouldnt know as cant see birds but you can explain their collrs in detail may really help ???i think we have a violet green a violet lt green spangle a ,another violet green Opaline maybe a mauve green ??(im ruling out the yf theory here )a sky blue df violet and a cinnamon sky blue df spangle (if not cin still a df violet sky blue spangle )but then i really dont know much about violet genetics im just going off the lookof the ones i have breed myself and have brought myself (ones with fam history )and they same colours as thoughs so........anyone feel free to tell me im compleatly off trake here :rofl:

Sorry GB but i might. A bird is either olive or mauve but not both. Both are names for birds with double dark factor genes (olive in the green series, mauve in the blue). It might be olive SPLIT FOR BLUE but it's never a mauve green.It is not uncommon for olives to look grey green but cheek patches on grey greens are distinctly bluey grey coloured not purple or almost black. Opaline will alter the colour of birds (as does cinnamon) and thats why you are seeing a bronsey colour.I think everyone is trying to make this way more difficult than it is. I reckon it's why Macca commented about every cobalt being a sky violet!!!!!!To me it seems very straight forward - olives, dark greens and skyblues - nothing that would not be expected from this breeding! Spangle we know is there in the hen, cinnamon is obviously in the cock bird. Personally I don't see violet in any of the chicks (possibly in the Mum but I'd bet for plain old cobalt).

Edited November 22, 200915 yr by nubbly5

you could be right Nubby, however for now all I'm seeing is black tail feathers in the two chicks in question

oki i didn't mean mauve i meant violet sorry i cant explain things good why i normal dont try

what i ment by either violet or mauve was simply as in no factor medium and dark

sky is light

violet is medium

mauve is dark so i ment as in it was dark factor

sorry im so bad at explaining things :celebrate:

 

but took pics of my violets for you to look at my green violets

and my skyblue agf so ....

 

 

here is a light green violet spangle

 

 

 

 

 

this is her violet light green brother

 

 

this is an Opaline violet dark green

 

 

 

 

 

and here is a grey green

 

 

this is my agf boy sky blue sf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well thats it i dont know anne what you got but mabe that might help

I looked very closely at the chicks, for tail colour and cheek patches...

 

 

This chicks tail is black and cheek patches are purple..

 

 

 

 

This one is the same - black tail and purple cheek patches.

 

 

 

Does this help?