Hi everybody

 

my pair had wonderful breeding...

 

 

they had 5 eggs and all hatched...

i surprised when i saw the color of my chicks after 30 days

 

1- Opaline YF1 cinnamon Sky Blue

2- Opaline Green

3- DF Dominant pied Green

4- SF Dominant pied Cobalt

5- Opaline Greywing Sky Blue

 

How it's happen?

Edited November 10, 200915 yr by Nikpendar

Genetics is a mystery to me... what I do know is this... always expect the unexpected...

Great news you had a good result!

 

PM Nubbly5 and ask her to have a go ~ she LOVES these tricky genetic puzzles

Edited November 10, 200915 yr by KAZ

This is how you do it.

 

You have a Yellow Faced 2 Greywing Opaline Blue Cock and a double factor green dominant pied hen. Your hen is split blue as well split greywing.

 

This means that the hens will all be opaline.

Your YF1 might end up a YF2 after its first moult.

Your DF pied might just be a badly marked SF pied. If the cock is not pied, and he does not look to be, there is no way that you can get a DF dom pied.

One parent must have a Dark factor. From the pics, i would say the cock. It is not noticeable as his greywing dilutes it.

Edited November 10, 200915 yr by KAZ

This is how you do it.

 

You have a Yellow Faced 2 Greywing Opaline Blue Cock and a double factor green dominant pied hen. Your hen is split blue as well split greywing.

 

This means that the hens will all be opaline.

Your YF1 might end up a YF2 after its first moult.

Your DF pied might just be a badly marked SF pied. If the cock is not pied, and he does not look to be, there is no way that you can get a DF dom pied.

One parent must have a Dark factor. From the pics, i would say the cock. It is not noticeable as his greywing dilutes it.

unfortunately you CAN get Double Factor Domie Pieds by pairing 2 together However, the DF offspring look like Rec Pieds in markings and tend to be long, tubular birds.

 

I know this because it was one of my first breeding mistakes.

unfortunately you CAN get Double Factor Domie Pieds by pairing 2 together However, the DF offspring look like Rec Pieds in markings and tend to be long, tubular birds.

 

I know this because it was one of my first breeding mistakes.

 

I am well aware that you CAN get Double Factor pieds, but it means pairing one SF with another SF, or a SF with a DF.

 

If you look at the pics of the parents he has posted, the cock on the left is not a pied, therefore pairing a DF dom pied with any bird that is not a dom pied will only result in SF pieds.

 

In actual fact when I go back and think about it, judging by the offspring that have resulted, the DF hen is no a DF hen at all, but rather a SF. If she was a DF, then all the young would be SF dom pieds.

 

So taking that into consideration, breeding a

 

YF2 Sky Cobalt Greywing Cock that is split opaline to a poorly marked SF Dom Pied hen that is split blue and is split greywing (maybe dilute) will result in the offspring you have.

unfortunately you CAN get Double Factor Domie Pieds by pairing 2 together However, the DF offspring look like Rec Pieds in markings and tend to be long, tubular birds.

 

I know this because it was one of my first breeding mistakes.

 

I am well aware that you CAN get Double Factor pieds, but it means pairing one SF with another SF, or a SF with a DF.

 

If you look at the pics of the parents he has posted, the cock on the left is not a pied, therefore pairing a DF dom pied with any bird that is not a dom pied will only result in SF pieds.

 

In actual fact when I go back and think about it, judging by the offspring that have resulted, the DF hen is no a DF hen at all, but rather a SF. If she was a DF, then all the young would be SF dom pieds.

 

So taking that into consideration, breeding a

 

YF2 Sky Cobalt Greywing Cock that is split opaline to a poorly marked SF Dom Pied hen that is split blue and is split greywing (maybe dilute) will result in the offspring you have.

I agree with Dave

Great news you had a good result!

 

PM Nubbly5 and ask her to have a go ~ she LOVES these tricky genetic puzzles

 

 

Lucky for me Dave gave a stirling answer!!! I would not have really even known for sure what the cock birds mutations really are........

 

But I was going to mention the DF pied giving all SF pied babies but Dave got it anyway.

 

Got another question though Dave - what exactly is Sky Cobalt? Isn't a bird either skyblue (no dark factor) or cobalt (one dark factor)..........? Or did you mean violet?

 

AND I prefer your first diagnosis of the cock actually BEING opaline and not just split for opaline but only going on the bird himself as the breeding (without knowing sex of the chicks doesn't help much there).

 

And congratulations Nik on a successful (and very colourful) round of babies!

Edited November 10, 200915 yr by nubbly5

Thanks all

 

aboute DF dominant pied, I must say that the parent of my Hen are "SF dominant pied Green (cock)" & "Normal Blue (Hen)" but she is DF Dominant Pied Green.

 

I Don't know why, Experts explain how this happen...

Edited November 11, 200915 yr by Nikpendar

Thanks all

 

aboute DF dominant pied, I must say that the parent of my Hen are "SF dominant pied Green (cock)" & "Normal Blue (Hen)" but she is DF Dominant Pied Green.

 

I Don't know why, Experts explain how this happen...

DF dom pieds only come from parents that are BOTH dom pieds. You can sometimes get a bird that looks DF dom pied but may be a badly marked SF dom pied or even sometimes a recessive pied that looks DF dom pied.

Photos are not the best and rear shots would be a good idea.

 

Based on what I can see:

 

Cock is a Dilute Opaline single factor Yellowface Mutant 2 Sky or Cobalt. You can just see the Opaline like striations on the neck. The spots on the mask are quite pale, too pale for a Greywing. The fact that the body colour is also quite diluted, too much for a Greywing. As for the colour if you have indeed produced a Cobalt youngster then the cock is a Cobalt.

 

Hen is single factor Dominant Pied Light Green. You state that her parents are a pied and a normal so therefore she cannot be a df Dom Pied. This hen shows what I keep trying to get across to people on this and other forums that an extremely pied out bird is not always a double factor, it can only be tested by breeding or by the pairing of two double factored pieds! This bird is also split Blue

 

Looking at the results of what you have produced and taking into consideration incorrect classifications.

 

In general all the Opalines are hens. Any Pieds are all single factor.

 

Chick 1. Opaline YF1 Cinnamon Sky - This is a single factor Yellowface Mutant 2. In nest feather the yellowface will be confined. Once the bird moults it will look like its father. A Yellowface Mutant 2 cannot when paired to a normal produce a Yellowface Mutant 1 even if the hen was split YF which it is not as it have proven by the results to be split for Blue. The fact this bird you say is Cinnamon means the cock bird is split for Cinnamon.

 

Chick 2. Opaline Green - will be dark or light green (need photos)

 

Chick 3. DF Dom Pied Green- CANNOT get a double factored pied from one pied parent. Again will be Dark or Light Green (need photos)

 

Chick 4. SF Dom Pied Cobalt - For this bird to be a Cobalt the cock would need to be a Cobalt (need photos).

 

Chick 5. Opaline Greywing Sky - Would be a hen. Greywing, doubt it based on the father but not impossible. The hen would need to be split Greywing to produce one. Chances are this chick is a Dilute and if so the hen is split Dilute.

 

Clear photos of the parents both front and back would be nice as would photos of the chicks.

Thanks Nubbly for picking me up on that little bit. I meant to say Opaline that is split Cinnamon.

 

Well done RIP. I am bad at the whole dilute or greywing thing. Some greywings have diluted body colour, others do not, so it is hard to tell. I am still learning here.

Thanks Nubbly for picking me up on that little bit. I meant to say Opaline that is split Cinnamon.

 

Well done RIP. I am bad at the whole dilute or greywing thing. Some greywings have diluted body colour, others do not, so it is hard to tell. I am still learning here.

 

I'm with you on that Dave. Just assumed you knew that the cock bird was a greywing coz I really couldn't tell what it was........ a very unusually coloured bird. Really attractive.