I've asked about Ashley and mentioned her before, as to what mutation she is. Now I have to bring it up again! She is a lot younger than I assumed, and now that she has just recently finished a big moult her colours and markings are a lot more visible than they were previously. I am positive she is NOT a Yellowface Albino..for these reasons. She is white and yellow with red eyes, but she has pink cheek patches and grey markings on her wings, head, neck, and cheek spots too. I know that Albinos do not have pink cheek patches but have white ones, and having pink cheek patches make her not Albino. Before anyone asks, her colour and markings unfortunately do not show up very well at all in photos, so I chose the pics that showed them the best..though it still does not do her justice. She has a lot more markings and colour in real life.

The first picture you can see her markings and pink cheek patches, same with the second and third pictures. The fourth one just shows you her wing markings..albeit not very well.

 

So, what is she? I believe she is an Opaline (because of the markings on her wings and the way the yellow is on her wings and head too) Lacewing, but with something diluting her colour.

 

Opinions please? What can I breed her with to find out for sure? (I was thinking of breeding her with the male she has bonded with, and then when her male offspring are old enough, breeding them to a random unrelated female and seeing what their daughters are like.)

 

Replies soon would be wonderful. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Strangely enough a movie shows the colour accurately as opposed to a picture, but I don't know how to upload a movie (.MOD or .MOI) in photobucket? Edit: I changed the file extension to mpg so photobucket recognises it and I can upload it..I don't know how to post it though, just post the link to the site where it is? I am uploading a short movie of her now, but it is taking a while.

Edited November 2, 200915 yr by Jen144

She looks to be a YF2 Albino to me. The light markings are quite common on albinos and she looks patchy because she is still moulting

 

make sure she is healthy, as in the first 3 photos, she looks unwell.

Edited November 2, 200915 yr by **Liv**

In the first photos she was beginning to get sick (they were the best photos I could find however) but they are older photos, she is okay now.

 

I don't know..why would an Albino have pink cheek patches instead of white? In almost all lights, her cheek patches look pink. Sometimes, very rarely, they look white-ish, but never as white as my DEC for example, who definitely has very white cheek patches.

 

I finally uploaded some short movies, I just quickly made two just to show what she looks like, so don't mind how badly done they are lol. Hope it helps in showing her colours.

 

 

http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee330/J...opyofMOV029.flv

http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee330/J...opyofMOV028.flv

The pink in the cheek patch (that doesnt show up in the photos or videos) could be pin feathers coming through under the white feathers...

Hi Jenn

 

I know you've asked about this bird many times before and we've not come up with a definite answer for you.

 

As a lacewing breeder I very occasionally have had birds like this come out of the breeding, which I consider either to be really poorly marked lacewings OR lacewings where crossover has re-occurred and the resultant bird is an albino. They often have very very faint markings on them and a very slightly lilac cheek patch only visable in the right light.

 

Also as a judge I have seen quite a number of birds that could either be benched as an albino with darker markings than required by the standard (i.e. no markings) OR a lacewing with much lighter than normal. These are kind of intermediate birds where modifier genes are in play altering the markings that are visable in some way.

 

And I would assume the YF would have something of a bearing on the final outcome of the colour of the cheek patch.

 

So from the pics and vids I would say that you've either got an YF albino with slight markings OR a YF lacewing with very poor markings. Either way a pretty bird.

Edited November 2, 200915 yr by nubbly5

Sorry for having asked about her so many times, it's just that she's a mystery..but it sounds like we're back to the old 'I'll find out once I breed her' thing, so I can't wait for March, when I'll breed her!

I've always thought she's some sort of Lacewing Dilute or Greywing or something similar, especially since I can't see an Albino..no matter how visible her markings...having a pink coloured cheek patch. Plus I hope she is Lacewing, as I've never had one before and I think they look gorgeous!

Thank you very much for your help by the way. It would be really great if perhaps you could post some pictures of the birds you're talking about above, (the ones that look like Ashley does) so I can compare?

I am sure that Cec said that some Albinos can still have very light visible markings.

I am sure that Cec said that some Albinos can still have very light visible markings.

 

I have heard the very same thing