My spangle line is showing great protenal

This is where it all started

My wow bird he is my foundation cock and i put with a sky spangle and the 1st year I got a yellow DF spangle and a white Df spangle not knowing the protenial I had I sold the white one to MB and I had sold the mother as I didn't like her much but when they turned out nice we worked out who bought the mother and it was an old man that lived here in town so he was willing to give her back to and I gave him 3 hens in replace of her.

Any last year she only gave me 2 hens I kept one as an idiot sold the other because Greg reckons she's wasn't much good but she was only 10 weeks old, anyway she's gone forever.

This year I put them down and only got clear eggs then she was egg bound and died.

 

Yellow Df spangle thier son and grey cinnamon opaline spangle their daughter

 

So then I put the yellow Df spangle with a cobalt hen and yes I know shouldn't of done that because of her being blue and he suffused but look what I got

and thier babies and these photos were taken back in April.

 

This years babies I got 3 yellow DF hens and ! light green spangle and 1 sky blue spangle cock from the 1st round

 

One of the yellow Df spangle hens above belong to the white Df spangle hen above and a dark green spangle son of the yellow Df spangle and my violet. They only had the one and I can't tell them about, i think she is the one with the most suffusion.

 

Second round only 2 babies a white Df spangle that was killed and a sky blue cock and he is nice

 

Then my best white Df spangle from above I paired him with a grey opaline spangle with is the daughter of the grey green spangle cock my founation wow bird. AND this is what I got but they look better than in the photos

Oh they ended up with grey suffusion even on their back, I though if you put grey to white they should uen out clean but it turned out worse than white with green or yellow with blue.

I got a grey spangle and 2 white Df spangles amd the white one are big birds and they have big wide heads just like thier dad

 

That's all for now add more soon.

Edited October 25, 200915 yr by splat

Beautiful

they are so wonderful Splat I totally love the skyblue fella alhtough they are all beautiful I just love skyblues

Thankyou Kaz and jlee I am really happy with the result as I haven't bred many this year

The grey factor is not to minimise suffusion - its to eliminate the fleurescence. Blue based white birds that are clean of suffusion still have a blue 'sheen' to the feathers in the light, and depending on where they are viewed and at what angle they can look pale blue. To eliminate that grey is used, however you can just as easily get grey suffusion as blue - the grey simply helps eliminate the additional fleurescent sheen to the feathering.

 

P.S Fab birds! Shame about the slow breeding and progress though. Suppose things will really take off sooner or later. You'll have spangles comin out your ears!

Beautiful birds Splat

great summary of the line with photos, splat. Well done and a very interesting read.

 

Some nice looking birds there, too.

Edited October 25, 200915 yr by JamesBond007

The grey factor is not to minimise suffusion - its to eliminate the fleurescence. Blue based white birds that are clean of suffusion still have a blue 'sheen' to the feathers in the light, and depending on where they are viewed and at what angle they can look pale blue. To eliminate that grey is used, however you can just as easily get grey suffusion as blue - the grey simply helps eliminate the additional fleurescent sheen to the feathering.P.S Fab birds! Shame about the slow breeding and progress though. Suppose things will really take off sooner or later. You'll have spangles comin out your ears!

But I paired him with the grey op sp because he does has slight suffusion Dean, but it turned out worse. With the yellow DF I was told to pair him to a grey hen and all babies will be grey green but then when I use those babies it is meant to get rid of the suffusion. Well I tried that and after the so and so laid 4 eggs she attacked and bit him on his cheek patch so I quickly took him away, much to special to be murder by her. She was the only normal grey hen I have.I already have spangles coming out my ears

great summary of the line with photos, splat. Well done and a very interesting read.Some nice looking birds there, too.

Thanks 007 but gee I just reread it myself which I should of done befor ei posted it and I am sure this keyboard is alien because the spelling is out of this world. It seems put the wrong letters up, really, I hit the t and a y comes up and if I hit a o up pops a p, gee I don't know must need glasses

lovley little white chick splat

 

as for the suffushion

i would not put a grey bird to a grey suffused chick as the colour will only be inhanced more

 

as happened how ever i dont know the easy salution

however breeding the both birds to a diluted grey then breeding the two out comes of both clutch however will solve your problem

how ever wont garentee you df every time as you know in a diluted form till the third generatin when you can put the diluted chicks from the cluthch together rezulting in a end rezult

wheather you get df or just spangle again remains a chance but if you think about what your doing you can get diluted df spangles through and through

this will only work with your blue based ones as the yellow would not be of compertition quality doing it this way in the green serise

 

lol **** my com dislexic like me

your not the onlyone splat

I don't have any dilutes but I wanted to to go with the grey cinnamon spangle full sister to the yellow because I believe cinnamon works too, I think that is what Gary Armstrong does, is that write Kaz. But anyway they didn't like each other .

I am already planning my pairs for next year as I really don't have much choice as I only have around 24 adult birds left I think.

lovley little white chick splat

 

as for the suffushion

i would not put a grey bird to a grey suffused chick as the colour will only be inhanced more

 

as happened how ever i dont know the easy salution

however breeding the both birds to a diluted grey then breeding the two out comes of both clutch however will solve your problem

how ever wont garentee you df every time as you know in a diluted form till the third generatin when you can put the diluted chicks from the cluthch together rezulting in a end rezult

wheather you get df or just spangle again remains a chance but if you think about what your doing you can get diluted df spangles through and through

this will only work with your blue based ones as the yellow would not be of compertition quality doing it this way in the green serise

 

lol **** my com dislexic like me

your not the onlyone splat

 

The suffusion comes from useing blue birds,on the white D/F use grey birds.

lovley little white chick splat

 

as for the suffushion

i would not put a grey bird to a grey suffused chick as the colour will only be inhanced more

 

as happened how ever i dont know the easy salution

however breeding the both birds to a diluted grey then breeding the two out comes of both clutch however will solve your problem

how ever wont garentee you df every time as you know in a diluted form till the third generatin when you can put the diluted chicks from the cluthch together rezulting in a end rezult

wheather you get df or just spangle again remains a chance but if you think about what your doing you can get diluted df spangles through and through

this will only work with your blue based ones as the yellow would not be of compertition quality doing it this way in the green serise

 

lol **** my com dislexic like me

your not the onlyone splat

 

The suffusion comes from useing blue birds,on the white D/F use grey birds.

 

 

yes macka i know this but to fix the mistake splat i belive knowingly made what i said works

but more simply yes start again with grey birds like in albino breeding basicly

i myself dont like to use cinnamon to defuse colour as you end you with cinn wing markings aventually slightly showing if look really really closely after a few gens

I don't have any dilutes but I wanted to to go with the grey cinnamon spangle full sister to the yellow because I believe cinnamon works too, I think that is what Gary Armstrong does, is that write Kaz. But anyway they didn't like each other .

I am already planning my pairs for next year as I really don't have much choice as I only have around 24 adult birds left I think.

Yes Gary uses his cinnamon spangles to get DF spangles with no suffusion.

Edited October 25, 200915 yr by KAZ

lovley little white chick splat

 

as for the suffushion

i would not put a grey bird to a grey suffused chick as the colour will only be inhanced more

 

as happened how ever i dont know the easy salution

however breeding the both birds to a diluted grey then breeding the two out comes of both clutch however will solve your problem

how ever wont garentee you df every time as you know in a diluted form till the third generatin when you can put the diluted chicks from the cluthch together rezulting in a end rezult

wheather you get df or just spangle again remains a chance but if you think about what your doing you can get diluted df spangles through and through

this will only work with your blue based ones as the yellow would not be of compertition quality doing it this way in the green serise

 

lol **** my com dislexic like me

your not the onlyone splat

 

The suffusion comes from useing blue birds,on the white D/F use grey birds.

 

I did use grey Macka, that's why I am surprised that I have suffusion on the front and back, I have never had it on their backs before. But the one with it on the back is rippa of a bird so I don't really care I will put him with a normal next year but then I do not have any normal grey hens, rats.

I did use grey Macka, that's why I am surprised that I have suffusion on the front and back, I have never had it on their backs before. But the one with it on the back is rippa of a bird so I don't really care I will put him with a normal next year but then I do not have any normal grey hens, rats.

Would putting him to a cinnamon spangle help ?

Gorgeous birds Splat, you must be pleased with them - I certainly would be!

 

And I second Kaz with adding cinnamon and even opaline into the line to clean up suffusion as both cinnamon & opaline reduce body colour to some degree. Adds problems for the single factor spangles though but good for DF's so you might need to choose separate lines.

Yes Nubbly very pleased as the line is getting really strong but I will have to start focusing on variety soon but I have feather denisty, size , wide heads chest and shoulder in this line.

 

On the other subject of suffusion

I used grey opaline spangle to white df spangle and he is really very clean you really clean that he won DF spangle variety awards at different shows and I got suffusion on front and the back of the babies, I did want to put this cock bird with the grey cinn spangle but she wasn't interested so I put her with his brother, the first round there were only 2 fertile eggs but they died in the shell i think they jumped over them to much any way she has just layed 2 eggs and if fertile she will have to reaise them on her own as the cock is going on trip. But I thought he can fill some eggs first which will help me next year and if they babies are anything like his brother I will be excited. BUT seems he is with a grey cinnamon spangle hopefully they will be clean of suffusion.

Edited October 26, 200915 yr by splat

Here ia an update of my babies that are above but I am missing one of the white df spangles

I thought this was grey spangle but I think she has turned out to be a cobalt cinnamon opaline spangle but she a a wonky leg never be able to show her but maybe breed don't know yet

 

This is the nicest one I think so far. It is not a good picture of as I took the photo between preening himself so he is sitting funny

 

and I will try and get better photos tomorrow mainly of the one I missed.

Update photos of babies

 

The white df spangle are almost identical can't tell them apart.

the 3 are from the same nest and the 2 males just look like their dad but they have bad suffusion but that's okay I will put them to normals when old enough.

Wow I've just come across this thread - don't know how I missed it before!

 

I really enjoyed the intro Splat with photos and history. Yes I do like your Cobalt Cinnie Spangle best but the DF are very nice too!

 

As for using Cinnamon in the Spangle line - Yes! I heard that straight from the horses mouth a couple of years ago and so have always focused on breeding Cinnie Spangles.

 

What I have found is that Greygreen Spangles chuck fewer suffused chicks than Lightgreen Spangles when paired to a DF Yellow.

 

This year I tried to breed a Grey Cinnie Spangle but for the main part have failed miserably so my DF White series will have to wait some more ....

Thanks Renee, next year I am pairing a grey normal to my yellow df spangle, and my white Df spangles too. With the yellow one I will get all grey green spangles. with the white I could get grey sky blue and maybe even cobalt seems their the fathers mother is a cobalt.

I just hope they have the feather these do and their size too as they are really quite big.

Thanks Renee, next year I am pairing a grey normal to my yellow df spangle, and my white Df spangles too. With the yellow one I will get all grey green spangles. with the white I could get grey sky blue and maybe even cobalt seems their the fathers mother is a cobalt.

I just hope they have the feather these do and their size too as they are really quite big.

 

Funny you should mention Feather quality, just the other day I was asking Cec Gearing on how to achieve this and he said Meat Protein!

 

Now as you know I have always shied away from this even though so many feed their bird the odd chicken carcass (I know you do!) but I have reluctantly decided to start to introduce cooked mince meat into the soft food mix with next year's babies.

Maybe that's true but I also think it's in their gentic makeup, I have gave chicken carcass a few times but it is really the young birds that get into it. I have a friend who gives his chop bones with a little meat left on it.

You have beautiful budgies Splat............ :raincloud: :raincloud: :raincloud:

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 200915 yr by anne101

Thanks Anne those white Df are really nice love them to pieces :raincloud: