Are you letting the Albino pair breed again GB?

Are you letting the Albino pair breed again GB?

 

well i may just be doing that weather i want to of not dave as the birds when moved to holding area disagreed with my decision and pursued their relationship

the hen deciding to nest in corner she had layed one egg either on the 25 really late or the 26 (yesterday)really early

so as she was sitting disgruntled by the other birds in the corner

i decided to give them their box back

so we will see what happens ,i do want to add however that im not sure if i will pair them again after this, late next year if i do..as their first chick had weird legs it was a very big baby and healthy all the same intill it was stopped being feed by foster she feed him since day three then decided not to

none of the other hens would either

so i took on the job he was doing very well so i gave him to his foster home where he deteriated over night and died (vet said he was dobble jointed but i belive he was deformed and it was really for the best as his legs even splinted and braced did not fix by week three

 

but im happy with my out come i think he is going to be a beauty

 

shannon you dont need to apoligize for not likeing albinos mate we are all diffrent

I'll take this one too please GB

I'll take this one too please GB :rofl:

 

not you too :hap: looks like the camera out back was a good investment

she is beautiful just like dad which is what i like to see

mabe i should make a waiting list

 

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:rofl: well im glad you guys like as that means they must be okay out come

 

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Edited October 26, 200915 yr by GenericBlue

Dad is an amzing bird, and she is following in his footsteps, or claw tracks, or whaever the budgie equivalent is.

What blood does dad have GB

Dad is an amzing bird, and she is following in his footsteps, or claw tracks, or whaever the budgie equivalent is.

thank you dave i believe he is a fine looking fella myself and i saw his potential as soon as i spotted him Ive found out hes / to Opaline and possibly cinnamon hopefully all his offspring feather up as lovely as her still bit hard to tell yet i am going to place him with my best cinnamon hen to find out this is her at top

 

 

that way if he is bonus and if not his new chicks will be he will be taking time out however after his new little one is raised as i don't like to breed in the summer and am working on my aviary upgrade while birds all enjoy holiday camp in the cool back porchunfortunately for them though i am placing all cocks and hens separate the aviary is pretty much finished just got to hinge the shutters on and im thinking about separating it into 3 flights one small 1 and half meter by 90 to place baby's in before releasing them and then split it right down center but really im not sure if i want to cut their flight space i will probably just get another aviary, his and hers :rofl: for both cocks and hens :hap:

What blood does dad have GB :rofl:

mate could not tell you i have tried to find out the the breeder claims his not his bird so but its his ring code i am not to worried as im getting that enjoyment you miss with the show birds trying to figure out his splits and true color mutation so far Ive found that i was correct in the fact that he is not grey and hes split Opaline as started just before

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by Dave_McMinn

Yes I have his and hers and a cull plus a baby aviary but at the moment all sold birds are in one and all cocks and hens are in the other and I have a pair in the cull cage mucking around, all young birds are in the baby aviary.

So he is muave? (two dark factors in the blue series)

 

I have to say, I laughed when you said ignore my children. There are 3 very distinct skin tones/races in that picture. Makes me wonder about your dating habits

So he is muave? (two dark factors in the blue series)

 

 

I have to say, I laughed when you said ignore my children. There are 3 very distinct skin tones/races in that picture.

 

 

 

:rofl:

no dave as i ended up with a violet

a skybluesh weird colour and one like him which i call blue grey( which in my terms means he holds violet factor) a grey medium and a grey dark

so im not 100 percent and you could be wright

but im thinking violet grey

as in a light grey bird holding violet their for his colour is modifyed a shade darker apering as a grey b

 

lol

as for children ....and dateing habbits :rofl:

nar dave i have many children of all race they come and go as they need

the young samalian boy lost his mother resently to his fathers hand

and his father took off back to his own country leaving him with a nasty step mother whom tied him up for weeks at a time with out real food and she would throw water at him every few days

he is staying with me for while till i can help him on his feet he is 19

 

the asian son is a boy whom lives in town he is looking for a aprentaship as a cook he stays most weekends to have respite from his family whom are also a tad over dissaplenry

 

the other two are my full blooded children i have a older son whom lives with his father

as you wouldbe awear being a teatcher dave you would understand the need for some children to be able to have a safe place to go

i am that safe place i get children from all over come and stay with me but im happy to help out besides its company as :hap: my dateing habbits are pretty obsalete

guess im waitting for something i will never find

 

it is funny picture though little monsters i have about five more i was takeing pics to send rip ,

i guess i will need to redo them all

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by KAZ

okay up date

 

my violet hen dom has fm not badly but still :rofl: so she will be given free to good home for pet

my medium grey dom same as above :rofl:

my dark grey (baldy )poor bugger coped a good dose he has weird re feather growth and still feathering up so. vet said he should go to god but i have let god decide on that one and so far hes alive and kicking goals im sure some one will love him :rofl:

 

my opaline blue grey dom hen ------ not physically efected :rofl:

my albino ------------- not physically efected :rofl:

and the little weird blueish coloured one doesnt seem to be afected either but is still growing so,....could lose flights at later date as the others did :rofl: so.

 

i wil get some pics just i have been busy fixing probblem and making sure chicks all getting fed well

i moved the healthyer ones in with dad and the others are left with mum

so all getting feed more and more regulaury this seems to be helping with the feather re groth

they all looking good but im still not keeping any of the afectd chicks as much as i want to keep the violet

im just going to pretend it died in nest

 

im still not sure if i should keep the uninfected ones yet ?????

as im not sure i want to risk they carry the viris

 

what would others do ???????

i may keep and not breed yet just see how they turn out

i wil get some pics just i have been busy fixing probblem and making sure chicks all getting fed well

i moved the healthyer ones in with dad and the others are left with mum

so all getting feed more and more regulaury this seems to be helping with the feather re groth

they all looking good but im still not keeping any of the afectd chicks as much as i want to keep the violet

im just going to pretend it died in nest

 

im still not sure if i should keep the uninfected ones yet ?????

as im not sure i want to risk they carry the viris

 

what would others do ???????

i may keep and not breed yet just see how they turn out

 

If your chickies drop their flights and tail feathers as a fledgling this means they have caught the FM virus. By providing plenty of accessible liquids and food they should recover fine and the added bonus is that once they've caught the FM virus and feathered up again it means they have now built up a resistance to the virus.

 

This is why some breeders happily breed French moulters, ask RIP - she recently was happy to adopt about 4 FM survivors I had in a separate cage, and these guys had NOT completely recovered and still had missing flights. Many a breeder refer to these birds as "runners" which is just a euphamism for a flightless budgie.

 

If a chick catches the FM virus in the nest from a parent the chances of it feathering up properly are diminushed but the same principle still applies and by the time it is a few months old it will have built up an immunity to the FM virus.

yes but in doing this im basicly just going to be breeding magority fm birds

something i strongly disagree with

amenity or not

if they could breed fm im not interested in breeding them

as i aim to breed healthy show stock not fm affected stock

thats not going to help me become a repritable breeder is it now ???

and i want to aventuallybreed good healthy stock others will want to possably one day by and breed with them selfs (i know that this will be many years yet but i want to build quality birds starting now )

so i need to aradicate the probblem now

just not exacltly sure if you can >>> and if so how <do i need to sell all stock and start again or what do you do ??

yes but in doing this im basicly just going to be breeding magority fm birds

something i strongly disagree with

amenity or not

if they could breed fm im not interested in breeding them

as i aim to breed healthy show stock not fm affected stock

thats not going to help me become a repritable breeder is it now ???

and i want to aventuallybreed good healthy stock others will want to possably one day by and breed with them selfs (i know that this will be many years yet but i want to build quality birds starting now )

so i need to aradicate the probblem now

just not exacltly sure if you can >>> and if so how <do i need to sell all stock and start again or what do you do ??

Look I agree with you on NOT breeding with "runners" that is why I was happy to give RIP those affected budgies - she doesn't have a problem with it, so each to their own.

 

Obviously I got French Moult last year from an infected adult bird that I brought in, this happens I'm afraid 'cause there is NO way of knowing whether an adult is a carrier- no obvious signs you can pick up on during quarantine, no test and no medication, and you only realize when you get a nest of affected chicks.

 

I send the affected parent to God. Harsh though that may seem but I have no time for a carrier of such a pervasive and untreatable virus.

 

The chicks I isolate and give doxy to. I know you don't agree with this but although doxy does target pararsitic infections it also boosts the budgies immune system and I can't see anything wrong with that. I also remove and dropped feathers from their holding cage every day.

 

Above all I make sure I continuously wipe all surfaces in the breeding room with a wet cloth to minimize the reansfer of feather dust - an identified means of transmission of the FM virus. I also hoover very regularly.

 

I do breed with those chicks that make a full recovery, they are after all immune to the FM virus now.

yes but in doing this im basicly just going to be breeding magority fm birds

something i strongly disagree with

amenity or not

if they could breed fm im not interested in breeding them

as i aim to breed healthy show stock not fm affected stock

thats not going to help me become a repritable breeder is it now ???

and i want to aventuallybreed good healthy stock others will want to possably one day by and breed with them selfs (i know that this will be many years yet but i want to build quality birds starting now )

so i need to aradicate the probblem now

just not exacltly sure if you can >>> and if so how <do i need to sell all stock and start again or what do you do ??

Look I agree with you on NOT breeding with "runners" that is why I was happy to give RIP those affected budgies - she doesn't have a problem with it, so each to their own.

 

Obviously I got French Moult last year from an infected adult bird that I brought in, this happens I'm afraid 'cause there is NO way of knowing whether an adult is a carrier- no obvious signs you can pick up on during quarantine, no test and no medication, and you only realize when you get a nest of affected chicks.

 

I send the affected parent to God. Harsh though that may seem but I have no time for a carrier of such a pervasive and untreatable virus.

 

The chicks I isolate and give doxy to. I know you don't agree with this but although doxy does target pararsitic infections it also boosts the budgies immune system and I can't see anything wrong with that. I also remove and dropped feathers from their holding cage every day.

 

Above all I make sure I continuously wipe all surfaces in the breeding room with a wet cloth to minimize the reansfer of feather dust - an identified means of transmission of the FM virus. I also hoover very regularly.

 

I do breed with those chicks that make a full recovery, they are after all immune to the FM virus now.

 

thank you for this renee

this is what im after

so may i ask

do the fully unaffected birds breed fm or not and if so is it only the odd chick or every clutch ??

 

im with you source the problem and dispose of it in the rightful manner as harsh as it mayseem

i would also do this with the chicks effected only they can be re homed as pets only if not its exactly what i will be doing

thank you for this renee

this is what im after

so may i ask

do the fully unaffected birds breed fm or not and if so is it only the odd chick or every clutch ??

 

im with you source the problem and dispose of it in the rightful manner as harsh as it mayseem

i would also do this with the chicks effected only they can be re homed as pets only if not its exactly what i will be doing

 

okay this is the second year that I have had an outbreak and I identified the source of this year's outbreak and disposed of her.

 

Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks.

 

Is this what you are asking?

thank you for this renee

this is what im after

so may i ask

do the fully unaffected birds breed fm or not and if so is it only the odd chick or every clutch ??

 

im with you source the problem and dispose of it in the rightful manner as harsh as it mayseem

i would also do this with the chicks effected only they can be re homed as pets only if not its exactly what i will be doing

 

okay this is the second year that I have had an outbreak and I identified the source of this year's outbreak and disposed of her.

 

Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks.

 

Is this what you are asking?

 

 

 

Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks.

 

Is this what you are asking?

yes this is what im wanting to know

im wanting to know that if i keep these young birds the un affected ones

 

a) will they be carriers and produce fm chicks

and

the affected chicks should they be culled to stop french molt spreading from aviary to aviary

or do the not breed fm chicks either

is it a permanent thing or only a viris that last 3 months ??or know one really knows for sure

thank you for this renee

this is what im after

so may i ask

do the fully unaffected birds breed fm or not and if so is it only the odd chick or every clutch ??

 

im with you source the problem and dispose of it in the rightful manner as harsh as it mayseem

i would also do this with the chicks effected only they can be re homed as pets only if not its exactly what i will be doing

 

okay this is the second year that I have had an outbreak and I identified the source of this year's outbreak and disposed of her.

 

Maybe more experienced breeders can say for sure but in my limited experience a chick that recovers from FM does not pass it onto their own chicks.

 

Is this what you are asking?

yes this is what im wanting to know

im wanting to know that if i keep these young birds the un affected ones

 

a) will they be carriers and produce fm chicks

and

the affected chicks should they be culled to stop french molt spreading from aviary to aviary

or do the not breed fm chicks either

is it a permanent thing or only a viris that last 3 months ??or know one really knows for sure

okay, so my advice to you is YES keep and breed with the chicks that regrow their flights and tails properly as they do NOT pass it on to their own chicks.

 

No it is NOT a permanent thing, it IS a virus and the affected older chicks DO recover with further immunity.

 

Most breeders experience it at the end of their breeding season BUT an infected parent bird will cause an outbreak no matter when. It is very contagious and most breeders stop breeding completely for about 6 months and then thoroughly disinfect their breeding room/cabinets/holding cages.

 

I have found that by keeping the infected chicks in a holding cage close to the floor and separate from my breeding cabinets the outbreaks are contained, because the feather dust falls and if no birds are below them there are few chances of reinfection - also the measures I mentioned above about wiping the surfaces and hoovering really do help.

 

Of the 15 chicks I had separated last week 5 are now back in a kindie cage with their friends and there are no issues.

 

Again, every one does it differently and I have read elsewhere that some breeders keep all their birds together and do not experience infection from affected birds.

 

Each to their own ~ as I say Live and Let Live!

I have had FM in 2 nests. both lots of parents are from the same breeder.

I have 2 chicks in a foster nest, with another chick from different parents, and the two chicks have FM, but the unrelated chick, apears fine...

To me FM appears quite random, and some get it, some don't.

 

I am interested in reading the verdict in this thread on what to do with the chicks that dont grow back their feathers fully.

I have had FM in 2 nests. both lots of parents are from the same breeder.

I have 2 chicks in a foster nest, with another chick from different parents, and the two chicks have FM, but the unrelated chick, apears fine...

To me FM appears quite random, and some get it, some don't.

 

I am interested in reading the verdict in this thread on what to do with the chicks that dont grow back their feathers fully.

 

liv considering i myself know really nothing on the should i shouldnt i keep the fm birds

im probably no help

but considering its such a touchy subject and most well established breeders wont even admit they have it

and if they do they just keep breeding regardless

no major clean ups or trying to minimize the situation due to the need to bench that good winning bird

i doubt we are going to get more than we have been given in this thread

 

i was told by my vet any that dont feather at the right phase and continue to struggle when due out the nest are better off anesthetized

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what im not understanding here is if its a viris and can not or is not transmitted from fm chicks onto their young

yet is transmited from feeding peronts ,.....why is this the case ????

and

if the chicks were fostered and then refostered at few days to a week will the new foster mum have contracted the viris and be likely to pass it on to all her fearthering clutches along with the cock bird from this nests ?????

 

if its a viris that goes away then why do birds get reafected after a long rest and a very good cleaning of inviroment ??

or is it only when new birds enter your stock that this may possably accure ???

 

renee thank you for your awnsers on what you do

i have done what you said about putting the birds on the growned it was the most sensable thing i could think to do so im glad it was not for nothing

also i have been vaccuming and throughing away the feathers drop also so its nice to know this is what you do as it makes me feel like at least i chose to do a sensable thing

 

as for chicks im still unsure to keep or not but will wait for others input into this subject if at all i get any

as its something im really not wanting to premoate in my breeding stock and if theirs a remoate chance of it continuine through breeding these birds then my decicion will be quiet easy

how ever if the reality is that these birds will premote a healthyer inviroment through this viris going through out my stock leading to a strong amunity that which in turn stops the actual efects of the viris surficing ....then mabe i need to really consider keeping and breeding with these young birds ?

 

im very lost on this one

i just want to do what right for my birds im not worryed about any period of time i may have to stop breeding for

and im not worryed that it may take longer to have my first show bird to show

i just want my flocks best interest dealt with

so... anybody care to partake in this descution then please feel free to do so <...thankyou in advance :hurryup:

okay i got some pics of birds today not all came out though so will do more tomorrow

 

these all my fm chicks from both clutches pet and show

dom pie spangle pet type

 

cinn spangle pet type

 

dom pied show

 

 

 

 

scruffy (aka baldy)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

this pet df just starting to shed now

 

 

 

well thats it

 

now i need to find homes soon they almost eating by self's

the birds are very nice,just a quick warning they can fly at that age so shouldnt be handled in the open.

i was wondering today

could this be something else not fm ?????

 

baldy seems to be very unusual as in dwarft and feather groth weird beak wider >>>any clues or i just being , you know stupid

i mean what else could it be ...really

the birds are very nice,just a quick warning they can fly at that age so shouldnt be handled in the open.

I doubt it. Having experience with french moulters who have little to no wing feathers, they are lucky to glide to ground never mind flying off

Edited November 5, 200915 yr by KAZ

the birds are very nice,just a quick warning they can fly at that age so shouldnt be handled in the open.

I doubt it. Having experience with french moulters who have little to no wing feathers, they are lucky to glide to ground never mind flying off

 

yeah totally no feathers anymore very sad

so kaz what would you do in my situation ,...you dont need to answer as i know its a very personal thing

im just trying to get lots of opinions

before i actually decide what to do with birds

oh will the feathers grow back after first molt will they ever fly