Hi, sometime ago I asked what I would get from these two.

 

( info from nubbly5) Maybe Nubbly5 could assist a novice again, or anyone who can help?

 

 

Bottom is a clearwing dark green. It could be split blue and/or slpit dilute.

okay if it's straight clearwing dk green - paired to a normal blue you would get:

100% normal greens, split blue, split clearwing.

If it's split blue you could get:

50% chance normal green, split for blue, split for clearwing; 50% blue split for clearwing.

If it's split for blue AND dilute you could get:

50% chance normals split for clearwing.

50% chance normals split for dilute.

which have 50% chance being green split for blue and 50% blue.

 

 

 

 

Well, we ended up with 3 normal green, 1 died could have been green. 2 opaline,+ 2 normal Cobalt/Violet, I'm not up with mutations.

Can anyone tell me which of the above would be correct. I am guessing the "red" option, but who has opaline gene? none have clearwings.

 

P.S. pics of chicks are on my post, My Breeding results for 2009, from cage No 1.

The cock bird is clearwing green split for opaline & blue. He is also carrying violet.

 

If the hen is split for dilute it is not proven yet. If she was split for dilute you could get clearwing chicks

 

All the chicks will be split for clearwing and the green chicks will be split for blue

Thank you Neville, I was surprised that he is split,opaline and carrying violet. Need to be an expert I guess but a great help when trying to understand it all.

Hi, sometime ago I asked what I would get from these two.

 

( info from nubbly5) Maybe Nubbly5 could assist a novice again, or anyone who can help?

 

 

Bottom is a clearwing dark green. It could be split blue and/or slpit dilute.

okay if it's straight clearwing dk green - paired to a normal blue you would get:

100% normal greens, split blue, split clearwing.

If it's split blue you could get:

50% chance normal green, split for blue, split for clearwing; 50% blue split for clearwing.

If it's split for blue AND dilute you could get:

50% chance normals split for clearwing.

50% chance normals split for dilute.

which have 50% chance being green split for blue and 50% blue.

 

 

 

 

Well, we ended up with 3 normal green, 1 died could have been green. 2 opaline,+ 2 normal Cobalt/Violet, I'm not up with mutations.

Can anyone tell me which of the above would be correct. I am guessing the "red" option, but who has opaline gene? none have clearwings.

 

P.S. pics of chicks are on my post, My Breeding results for 2009, from cage No 1.

 

Sorry Robyn, I missed this thread before now......

 

What Neville says about the opaline but I think he misunderstood the dilute part. You said the clearwing cock was split dilute not the hen, right?

 

Any pure clearwings bred to normals will produce all visual normals split for clearwing. As the clearwing cock is possibly split for dilute, if he actually is all babies will still be normals but they will have a 50% chance of being split for clearwing and a 50% chance of being split for dilute. You will not know which unless you mate them later. Best bet would be to find a dilute for the original cock bird and test mate to that. If he produces all visual clearwings then he is pure clearwing, if he produces some clearwings and some dilutes then he is split for dilute. Unfortunately in this instance, mated to a normal, it's impossible to actually tell if he is split for dilute or not.

 

Olive often hides violet and the hen is straight skyblue so it also has to be the cock bird who is carrying the violet.

 

I'm surprised about the opaline too. Generally people do not use opaline in clearwings as it is not an allowable combination in the clearwing class and is only shown in the opaline class, but that's the thing with recessive varieties you often don't now that they are there until the babies give it away. The opaline is carried by the male. Hens are either visual opaline or not opaline they cannot be split for so it has to be the cock bird.

Edited November 2, 200915 yr by nubbly5

Thank's for reply Nubbly5, I just re checked post and found your reply. SO I'm posting pics of this pairing's chicks for you.

WE LOST CHICK NO 3 MAYBE IT WAS GREEN?

NO 1

NO 2

NO'S 1&4ON WIRE

NO 5

NO 6

NO 7

NO8

 

The answer's under (INFO FROM NUBBLY5) was your reply to my post because I didn't know what to expect from this pair. Way back, I kept it for future ref and copied & pasted it. Well this is what we got and I wanted to know which of your answers would apply to the parent's? Because I am still baffled by it all. L.O.L.

hope this doesn't confuse it further. :hug:

No worries Robyn I understood that that was my reply! Sorry that I wasn't clearer so I've cut and pasted from above.

 

Unfortunately BOTH of these options could still be valid........ you know he IS split for blue as he has bred blue babies, you know he carries violet as the hen is non-violet so cock must carry it and olive can often hide violet (he's actually an violet olive clearwing not dark green and it would appear so by all the babies being single dark factor), you also know he is split for opaline as the hen is normal but you have an opaline baby. What you can't tell is if he is or is not split for dilute so both of these could still be valid and unless you test mate you can't tell. So options 2 or 3 could still be valid but you can't tell from the babies.

 

okay if it's straight clearwing OLIVE green - paired to a normal blue you would get:

100% normal greens, split blue, split clearwing.

 

If it's split blue you could get:

50% chance normal green, split for blue, split for clearwing; 50% blue split for clearwing.

 

If it's split for blue AND dilute you could get:

50% chance normals split for clearwing.

50% chance normals split for dilute.

which have 50% chance being green split for blue and 50% blue.

Thank's again Nubbly, sorry to be a pest but, if I wanted to try for more opaline (His two were very nice) I would use the cock bird not the hen? Hope I got it and would the opaline chicks from this clutch be hens? If I bred them with normals and got opaline they would be cock's? or am I still totally lost. :WobbleSign:

No you are almost there and 100% right that you have to use the cock bird and that the opalines would all be hens.

 

If you then bred those opaline hen chicks to normal cocks (assume THEY were not split for opaline as well) you would only get split opaline cocks and normal hens.

 

Remember that opaline is a sex lined recessive gene and travels on the X chromosome. Cock birds have 2 X chromosomes and hens only have one. So a hen is either opaline OR normal but cannot be split but cocks can carry both a normal X gene and an opaline X gene making them split for opaline.

Thank's Nubbly, will save this for future ref. as well. If I go over it enough I just might get it l.o.l.