The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

 

well i have

normals split Opaline split cinnamon split receive pied split ino

so....and im going to add clear wing in their

im sure you can get more in but haven't toyed really

also some my other birds are spangle split all above

and dom pied split the above

i think you could fit fellow in if you tryed but it takes a few years to do this

took me three years to get my birds split all thoughs

and as i said im just starting to put in clear wing

i think about 7 variatys in one bird is around it with as many years work to do it unless you start with compositive variates in first place

eg cinn opaline dom pie split fellow split ino cock

to cinn opaline dom pie split fellow hen

you would get possable opaline dompie fellow split ino things like that

but then all chicks still are not split for all these things just depends on the genes passed down from each perant

 

thats a good question renee

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

 

My guess would be that if they don't appear on the same allele (like greywing, clearwing, dilute or green, yellowface, blue) then a bird can be split for any number of recessive varieties.

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

 

My guess would be that if they don't appear on the same allele (like greywing, clearwing, dilute or green, yellowface, blue) then a bird can be split for any number of recessive varieties.

 

yeah so many its impossable to acount for all the diffrent splits that could be achived or carried

mabe when i have no life i will work it out lol and post the awnser

 

now nubb when you say yellow face

i thought yellow face was a co domanant gene their for unless in double factur it was always visable their for it can not be split

?????

i know their has been much topics on this but in you opinion and more to it hands on experiance with this variarty

what cooks their ??

Well Nubbly I know you know your genetics but the question is as the alleles come in pairs, so how many series of alleles are for varieties?

 

Would it be 3 series of alleles, one for dominant varieties, one for recessives and one for sex linked?

 

And remember the question is how many varieties could ONE budgie be split for? (top figure please)

 

Edited October 2, 200915 yr by renee

Well Nubbly I know you know your genetics but the question is as the alleles come in pairs, so how many series of alleles are for varieties?

 

Would it be 3 series of alleles, one for dominant varieties, one for recessives and one for sex linked?

 

And remember the question is how many varieties could ONE budgie be split for? (top figure please)

 

 

 

Any trait an animal displays is basically determined by mixes of 2 genes attaching to certain alleles so in an allelic series such as greywing, clearwing, dilute a bird can only have 2 of the 3 genes attach so it cannot be split for both clearwing AND dilute. As for the green, yellowface & blue series and bird cannot be split for blue AND yellowface at the same time.

 

BUT if the genes appear on different alleles then any number of varieties can be present so for example a cock bird could ne normal green split for blue, split for cinnamon, split for opaline, split for recessive pied etc etc.

 

From the latest genetic references, yellow face is recessive to green but dominant to blue on the same allelic series so a green bird can be split for yellowface (not masked but split for), a yellowface can be split for blue or it can be double factor yellow face (not split for blue). Thats the whole emerging discussion about the yellowface gene removing yellow from green not adding yellow to blue (in an attempt to clarify that greens don't mask yellow face coz you can't add more yellow to an already yellow bird).

Ummmmm. I don't think I understood that, sorry.

 

My understanding is that Dominant varieties are Normal, Spangle DF and Domi Pied with Yellow Face and Spangle being co-dominant

 

Recessive varieties are Recessive Pied, [Greywing, Clearwing, Dilute], Black Eyed Self and Fallow

 

Sex Linked varieties are Opaline, Cinnamon, Texas Clearbody, Lacewing and Inos

 

So forget the dominant varieties as they will always be visual .... how many Recessive and Sex Linked varieties can ONE budgie be split for?

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

 

My guess would be that if they don't appear on the same allele (like greywing, clearwing, dilute or green, yellowface, blue) then a bird can be split for any number of recessive varieties.

 

this is the answer mate what rip said

 

a bird can be split for up to two sex linkages also well not so much split but can be say domanant pied cock split for cinnamon

and an opaline spangle hen

the chicks would be

spangle hens and cocks

domanant pied spangle hens and cocks

normals hens and cocks

and dompied hens and cocks

plus if you stuck yellowface into it 5o percent chicks would be yf

and

all cocks would be ...split for opaline and split for cinnamon

make sense

you can put in basically anything you want to be bothered trying to archive patience is key

Edited October 2, 200915 yr by GenericBlue

Ummmmm. I don't think I understood that, sorry.

 

My understanding is that Dominant varieties are Normal, Spangle DF and Domi Pied with Yellow Face and Spangle being co-dominant

 

Recessive varieties are Recessive Pied, [Greywing, Clearwing, Dilute], Black Eyed Self and Fallow

 

Sex Linked varieties are Opaline, Cinnamon, Texas Clearbody, Lacewing and Inos

 

So forget the dominant varieties as they will always be visual .... how many Recessive and Sex Linked varieties can ONE budgie be split for?

 

okay I'll try and make it clearer, sorry.

 

So take a normal green cock bird for example. So on that allelic series appears also blue and yellowface so because only 2 genes can be present at one allele then it could be either split for YF OR split for blue but not both.

 

Also it could be split for greywing OR split for clearwing OR split for Dilute but not all 3 at the same time. As blackeyed self is technically a cinnamon dilute you have to remember that this too is on that same allelic series.

 

It could also be split for recessive pied as this is a different allele.

 

It could also be split for fallow as this is a different allele.

 

The same with Sex linked recessive varities.

 

Clearbody and Ino (or lacewing) appear on the same allele so a cock bird can be split for clearbody OR split for ino but not both.

 

But it can be also split for cinnamon as this is a different allele.

 

It can be split for opaline as this is a different allele.

 

(A hen can't be split for any sex linked trait but can be split for any normal recessive trait).

 

It can also be split for any other recessive variety or sex link recessive varieity that appears on a different allele say blackface, darkwing, slates, saddlebacks etc.

 

You could work it out on a bird by bird basis but you can't put a firm figure on it as it will depend on what the bird actually is as to what it can be split for.

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

My guess would be that if they don't appear on the same allele (like greywing, clearwing, dilute or green, yellowface, blue) then a bird can be split for any number of recessive varieties.

this is the answer mate what rip said a bird can be split for up to two sex linkages also well not so much split but can be say domanant pied cock split for cinnamon and an opaline spangle hen the chicks would be spangle hens and cocks domanant pied spangle hens and cocks normals hens and cocks and dompied hens and cocks plus if you stuck yellowface into it 5o percent chicks would be yf and all cocks would be ...split for opaline and split for cinnamon make sense you can put in basically anything you want to be bothered trying to archive patience is key

Thank you GB for persevering :hi: The thing is I am not so interested in a pairing outcome so much as how many varieties one budgie can be split for, but thank you for trying.

Ummmmm. I don't think I understood that, sorry. My understanding is that Dominant varieties are Normal, Spangle DF and Domi Pied with Yellow Face and Spangle being co-dominantRecessive varieties are Recessive Pied, [Greywing, Clearwing, Dilute], Black Eyed Self and FallowSex Linked varieties are Opaline, Cinnamon, Texas Clearbody, Lacewing and InosSo forget the dominant varieties as they will always be visual .... how many Recessive and Sex Linked varieties can ONE budgie be split for?

okay I'll try and make it clearer, sorry.So take a normal green cock bird for example. So on that allelic series appears also blue and yellowface so because only 2 genes can be present at one allele then it could be either split for YF OR split for blue but not both.Also it could be split for greywing OR split for clearwing OR split for Dilute but not all 3 at the same time. As blackeyed self is technically a cinnamon dilute you have to remember that this too is on that same allelic series.It could also be split for recessive pied as this is a different allele.It could also be split for fallow as this is a different allele.The same with Sex linked recessive varities. Clearbody and Ino (or lacewing) appear on the same allele so a cock bird can be split for clearbody OR split for ino but not both. But it can be also split for cinnamon as this is a different allele.It can be split for opaline as this is a different allele.(A hen can't be split for any sex linked trait but can be split for any normal recessive trait).It can also be split for any other recessive variety or sex link recessive varieity that appears on a different allele say blackface, darkwing, slates, saddlebacks etc.You could work it out on a bird by bird basis but you can't put a firm figure on it as it will depend on what the bird actually is as to what it can be split for.

Thank you Nubbly, I think I have that a cock can be split for up to 8 varieties, does that sound right to you?

thats about right renee

like i first said about 7 or so

i am not good at explaining things as you know so that was the best way i could say what nubbly so beautifully put

i wasnt trying to give you out comes as such just trying to explain the sex link one can to be carryed by one cock as well as receives

but its pretty clear now i think and i know you understood what i was trying to do even if i didnt make any scene :rofl: or help you

The title says it all, How many varieties can a budgie be split for?

My guess would be that if they don't appear on the same allele (like greywing, clearwing, dilute or green, yellowface, blue) then a bird can be split for any number of recessive varieties.

this is the answer mate what rip said a bird can be split for up to two sex linkages also well not so much split but can be say domanant pied cock split for cinnamon and an opaline spangle hen the chicks would be spangle hens and cocks domanant pied spangle hens and cocks normals hens and cocks and dompied hens and cocks plus if you stuck yellowface into it 5o percent chicks would be yf and all cocks would be ...split for opaline and split for cinnamon make sense you can put in basically anything you want to be bothered trying to archive patience is key

Thank you GB for persevering The thing is I am not so interested in a pairing outcome so much as how many varieties one budgie can be split for, but thank you for trying.

Ummmmm. I don't think I understood that, sorry. :rofl: My understanding is that Dominant varieties are Normal, Spangle DF and Domi Pied with Yellow Face and Spangle being co-dominantRecessive varieties are Recessive Pied, [Greywing, Clearwing, Dilute], Black Eyed Self and FallowSex Linked varieties are Opaline, Cinnamon, Texas Clearbody, Lacewing and InosSo forget the dominant varieties as they will always be visual .... how many Recessive and Sex Linked varieties can ONE budgie be split for?

okay I'll try and make it clearer, sorry.So take a normal green cock bird for example. So on that allelic series appears also blue and yellowface so because only 2 genes can be present at one allele then it could be either split for YF OR split for blue but not both.Also it could be split for greywing OR split for clearwing OR split for Dilute but not all 3 at the same time. As blackeyed self is technically a cinnamon dilute you have to remember that this too is on that same allelic series.It could also be split for recessive pied as this is a different allele.It could also be split for fallow as this is a different allele.The same with Sex linked recessive varities. Clearbody and Ino (or lacewing) appear on the same allele so a cock bird can be split for clearbody OR split for ino but not both. But it can be also split for cinnamon as this is a different allele.It can be split for opaline as this is a different allele.(A hen can't be split for any sex linked trait but can be split for any normal recessive trait).It can also be split for any other recessive variety or sex link recessive varieity that appears on a different allele say blackface, darkwing, slates, saddlebacks etc.You could work it out on a bird by bird basis but you can't put a firm figure on it as it will depend on what the bird actually is as to what it can be split for.

Thank you Nubbly, I think I have that a cock can be split for up to 8 varieties, does that sound right to you?

 

Well it really depends on how many recessive varieties there are and how many appear on seperate alleles. So how many recessive and sex link recessive traits are there actually?....... Kinda like how long is a piece of string really. I think trying to put a figure on it is barking up the wrong tree a little bit.

 

What about recessive grey???? That COULD be still around so there is another recessive variety. Slates, saddlebacks, darkwings, what about crests....? Are they are recessive varieity???

 

See what I'm getting at?

Thank you Nubbly, I think I have that a cock can be split for up to 8 varieties, does that sound right to you?

Well it really depends on how many recessive varieties there are and how many appear on separate alleles. So how many recessive and sex link recessive traits are there actually?....... Kinda like how long is a piece of string really. I think trying to put a figure on it is barking up the wrong tree a little bit.What about recessive grey???? That COULD be still around so there is another recessive variety. Slates, saddlebacks, darkwings, what about crests....? Are they are recessive varieity???See what I'm getting at?

..... unfortunately yes.

thats about right renee like i first said about 7 or so i am not good at explaining things as you know so that was the best way i could say what nubbly so beautifully put i wasnt trying to give you out comes as such just trying to explain the sex link one can to be carryed by one cock as well as receives but its pretty clear now i think and i know you understood what i was trying to do even if i didnt make any scene :rofl: or help you

A bird cannot be split for Darkwing as this is a dominant gene. It is also only a modifier gene and in a bird with normal markings it will not be seen even though it is present.

 

As for your question renee. A normal bird for instances can be split for every available variety currently known to man. Exception are the allelic series of varieties whereby it can only carry one allele. It also depends on the base bird i.e Normal Green, Normal Blue, Texas Clearbody or if the bird is a cock or hen.

A bird cannot be split for Darkwing as this is a dominant gene. It is also only a modifier gene and in a bird with normal markings it will not be seen even though it is present.

 

As for your question renee. A normal bird for instances can be split for every available variety currently known to man. Exception are the allelic series of varieties whereby it can only carry one allele. It also depends on the base bird i.e Normal Green, Normal Blue, Texas Clearbody or if the bird is a cock or hen.

 

Ooops I always get Brownwing and Darkwing mixed up - insert instead any other recessive variety that fits in there.