Jen

 

If she produces mauves babies with a cobalt father then she HAS to be cobalt. Quite possible that she is greywing and the greywing is modifying body colour OR she could be one of those lighter coloured cobalts. Good call with mating her with a greywing to find out if she is in fact a greywing herself.

 

Sort of looks like it from the close up pics of her wing.

as im not experienced in greywings

im going to say...... take the others advice ,but i still

say she is just a normal dark wing spangle not greywing

however as i said i do not own any greywings anymore i culled all mine

if you dont have a greywing just breed half brother to half sister you will still get at leasteone grey wing from that pairing and one is all you need to tell

have fun its finding out the mutations that you end up missing when you get into show birds

why i still keep pet types as well

I have a grey greywing spangle out in the aviary and I have grey spangles too. Later I will try and get photos to see if we can tell the difference

Am looking forward to seeing your pictures Kaz, I have no clue whatsoever on how to tell the difference..Mainly because I have never seen a Greywing Spangle!

Does anyone have answers about the Opaline part too? Is she Opaline? If not, why do all her chicks have white down?

Edited October 19, 200915 yr by Jen144

I have a grey greywing spangle out in the aviary and I have grey spangles too. Later I will try and get photos to see if we can tell the difference :rofl:

The greywing spangle cock

 

 

 

 

 

 

and a normal grey spangle

 

 

 

Yes Kaz,The only difference in the photoes

is you said the top one is a Greywing.

Just looking,you would say Spangle.

Yes Kaz,The only difference in the photoes

is you said the top one is a Greywing.

Just looking,you would say Spangle.

Thats for sure. I would have said spangle to the cock at the top, but he is a greywing spangle. As a purple ringer I had better put him down to breed after his moult.....and quickly :rofl:

mine looked more greywing than yours kaz and she is not :rofl:

 

just pulling ya :rofl:

About the greywing spangle I posted........he is the longest bird in my aviary.....

Just looking at those pictures, I'm still not sure Storm is Greywing but I think she is...but really I have no idea. In those pictures, it looks like the Spangle's wing markings are more defined and black, and the Greywing's are greyer and more blurry..

 

 

Anyone know the answer to the Opaline question? The baby whose picture I posted a page back it looking to be Spangle and not Opaline, so it is yet another baby that was thought be an Opaline based on the down colour but is not. My question is, does an Opaline-bred (ie, have one Opaline parent) budgie get the white down but is not Opaline themselves?

I haven't been able to breed any of Storm's male young yet, so I do not know if they are split Opaline or not.

Edited October 19, 200915 yr by Jen144

i do belive that splits come out with white down but i would be the only one who says that

from my breeding i have noticed this and that split cinnamon also are born with plum eyes

again i will be told this is not so

 

but i have birds to prove it is true

 

as for the Opaline down on a split male im still just working on if this is so or not as seems some chicks yes and others no ....really only when the bird is breed will you really know but if you think it try it out then you have solid evidance for your self no matter what others or books say

again

best way to find these things out is like me take note of all your young over time experimenting with different breeds so you can get usto the babys looks in nest from young through to fledged

i do belive that splits come out with white down but i would be the only one who says that

from my breeding i have noticed this and that split cinnamon also are born with plum eyes

again i will be told this is not so

 

but i have birds to prove it is true

 

as for the Opaline down on a split male im still just working on if this is so or not as seems some chicks yes and others no ....really only when the bird is breed will you really know but if you think it try it out then you have solid evidance for your self no matter what others or books say

again

best way to find these things out is like me take note of all your young over time experimenting with different breeds so you can get usto the babys looks in nest from young through to fledged

 

I believe what you say GB

Ah okay. And as Storm has been paired with about 3 different males and all chicks have had white down, (even females) then Storm must be Opaline, though she does not look it..

Well, nothing can be said for certain now until I breed them and see. One of Storm's male offspring is in the breeding cage right now with his mate, and I'll breed one of Storm's daughters to a Greywing too, and see what happens. It is fun finding this stuff out..

 

Also, one of Storm's offspring, a male, was bred and they only had one baby. Which is male and not Opaline and does not have white down.

If some of their babies have white down and some don't, can I safely say the white downed ones are Opaline girls and the grey downed ones are normals?

Or will there be a percentage of normal chicks with white down, just because one of their parents were split, or will one parent at least have to be visually Opaline before there are non-Opaline chicks with white down? Hope that made sense, I need to know if I see any of the babies, from this split Opaline male, with white down I'll know they are Opaline girls or if they may just be Opaline-bred normals?

Edited October 20, 200915 yr by Jen144

Ah okay. And as Storm has been paired with about 3 different males and all chicks have had white down, (even females) then Storm must be Opaline, though she does not look it..

Well, nothing can be said for certain now until I breed them and see. One of Storm's male offspring is in the breeding cage right now with his mate, and I'll breed one of Storm's daughters to a Greywing too, and see what happens. It is fun finding this stuff out..

 

Also, one of Storm's offspring, a male, was bred and they only had one baby. Which is male and not Opaline and does not have white down.

If some of their babies have white down and some don't, can I safely say the white downed ones are Opaline girls and the grey downed ones are normals?

Or will there be a percentage of normal chicks with white down, just because one of their parents were split, or will one parent at least have to be visually Opaline before there are non-Opaline chicks with white down? Hope that made sense, I need to know if I see any of the babies, from this split Opaline male, with white down I'll know they are Opaline girls or if they may just be Opaline-bred normals?

 

okay slow down girl.... well i dont know about the splits, splits having white down as i never really looked that far

but will give you some thing to document and then maybe you could write a thread for future newbies help them out i know i would be interested

as i said

i personally think she is a Opaline spangle of norm color wings not to forget the clearflight part just light melamine (how ever its spelt ) on her wings from badly paired peronts

 

also you have worked out that she is infact cobalt so... mabe mine is cobalt also

i did get v sky chicks but then that could have come from the cock

i will find out this time around i guess

well good luck with it and as i said i would love to know out come whith the grey wing when you do this

Okay then I shall see then what turns up when they have chicks.

Ah okay. And as Storm has been paired with about 3 different males and all chicks have had white down, (even females) then Storm must be Opaline, though she does not look it..

 

 

 

As I understand the sex-linked genes, there is no way a female daughter can inherit any opaline from her mother. Is it possible that all 3 of the different fathers are all split for opaline?

 

By the way, I am really, really learning a lot from this thread, about spangles, greywings and opalines.

Kaz and G.B.'s pictures are very educational.

It really helps to be able to see subtle differences.

Ah okay. And as Storm has been paired with about 3 different males and all chicks have had white down, (even females) then Storm must be Opaline, though she does not look it..

 

 

 

As I understand the sex-linked genes, there is no way a female daughter can inherit any opaline from her mother. Is it possible that all 3 of the different fathers are all split for opaline?

 

By the way, I am really, really learning a lot from this thread, about spangles, greywings and opalines.

Kaz and G.B.'s pictures are very educational.

It really helps to be able to see subtle differences.

 

yes but unless im reading wrong i dont think any chicks have actually been opaline so were trying to work out if the chicks are white down as they are male and split for opaline from mums genetic make up

 

you are right with what you have written

i do belive that splits come out with white down but i would be the only one who says that

from my breeding i have noticed this and that split cinnamon also are born with plum eyes

again i will be told this is not so

 

but i have birds to prove it is true

 

as for the Opaline down on a split male im still just working on if this is so or not as seems some chicks yes and others no ....really only when the bird is breed will you really know but if you think it try it out then you have solid evidance for your self no matter what others or books say

again

best way to find these things out is like me take note of all your young over time experimenting with different breeds so you can get usto the babys looks in nest from young through to fledged

 

I believe what you say GB

 

 

I believe you, too, GB

 

But this sure does throw a spanner into the works for those of us who are learning! So should we now be thinking: grey down= no opaline, white down= either opaline or split opaline?

 

Also, is the white down only on the babies, or should we be able to find white down on our adult split opaline males? Doesn't it seem like that would be too easy?