Look at these two birds. This picture shows their exact colour, and you can see the huge difference in the violet between the birds, even though the one on the right is still quite young and so his colour is not as bright as it will be when he moults.

 

Why is the difference so huge? As far as I know, Banshee, the one on the left, is a Cobalt SF Violet..his dad was a Violet Skyblue and his mum looks just like him, so I'm assuming she also is a Cobalt SF Violet.

The one on the right I think is a Cobalt DF Violet, his dad was also an SF Skyblue Violet and his mum was the same as Banshee's. (they are half-brothers)

Is it because their dads were different so Tori (the one on the right) might have inherited a darker more vibrant violet colour from his dad, therefore making this DF Violet look a lot different to the SF Violet? As far as I remember, Banshee's dad (he escaped a year ago and I have no pictures of him) was a Violet Skyblue, but he had less violet colour on his body than Tori's father has. It was restricted to near his neck really, while Tori's father has a violet wash all over him.

So, is it because Tori inherited a more vibrant colour of Violet, plus being double factor? Is it because Banshee is Pied, I have noticed with his mother who is also pied, it seems the pied affects the violet..Sort of the violet is pied too, there are patches of Cobalt and patches of violet, amidst the patches of white from being pied. Is it possible the pied is making some of the violet disappear in patches too?

How is the very bright violet trait (like Tori) inherited by the way? I am trying to get true Violet birds so I'd like to know how I can get more birds like Tori and even more purple than Tori.

Any help is appreciated, thanks..I hope what I said above makes sense, it is kind of confusing!

Banshee is a sky violet

Really? I always thought he was Cobalt SF Violet..Here's some pics of him (and his tail, it isn't turquoise as described in skyblue violets I think).

 

Here is his mother, I know she is a Cobalt SF Violet (though she does look Skyblue)as when she was paired with a Mauve she had all Mauves and Mauve Violets, which would not be possible with a Skyblue. And she looks a lot like Banshee..Notice how there are patcthes that look Cobalt Violet, and also patches that look Skyblue...

Edited October 1, 200915 yr by Jen144

The left one is definately a sky violet.

I find it very easy to distinguish sky violets. If you imagine a skyblue budgie and then imagine a pale violet "overlayed" over the top you will see the colour described as sky violet. Sky violets always appear to have two colours happening on their body to form their particular shade of blue.

Edited October 1, 200915 yr by KAZ

Then Storm really looks like a Skyblue Violet, but she can't be, right? She was paired with a Mauve, as I mentioned, and got 100% Mauves. Therefore she must be a Cobalt SF Violet? And her partner now, the father of Tori, is a Skyblue SF Violet I think...he looks Skyblue I think (he is a YF so it is hard to tell) but he got a DF Cobalt Violet chick so he must be SF Violet too?

Here is his mother, I know she is a Cobalt SF Violet (though she does look Skyblue)as when she was paired with a Mauve she had all Mauves and Mauve Violets, which would not be possible with a Skyblue. And she looks a lot like Banshee..Notice how there are patcthes that look Cobalt Violet, and also patches that look Skyblue...

 

Could Storm be a greywing? Because if she is, doesn't that lighten how her color appears? That could explain why she looks like a sky, but threw dark factor chicks.

I have no idea...she is a Spangle but I really don't think she is a Greywing (it never even crossed my mind)..Here's some photos of her back, is she actually Greywing too?

I have no idea...she is a Spangle but I really don't think she is a Greywing (it never even crossed my mind)..Here's some photos of her back, is she actually Greywing too?

Yes...It looks like she is greywing too.

Wow..Okay I've got to revise what I recorded my birds as!! I seem to find out more and more about my birds as I go!

 

She's now a Cobalt SF Violet Clearflight Pied Spangle Greywing..that's quite a mouthful lol.

If she's Greywing also that would explain why she looks Sky violet but is Cobalt SF violet..and also means all her offspring are split for Greywing as it is recessive right?

And Banshee is a Sky SF Violet and Tori is a Cobalt DF Violet and that is why they look so different...

Alright thank you for answering my questions!

My skyviolet greywing, when paired to a violet (cobalt) produced mauves Some how... it's possible :hi: but my girls a definate sky violet also. At first we thought they were greys, but i think they're mauves and that some how some thing weird goes on with colour intensity in pairings of greywing and violets being mixed... who knows. but i agree Definate sky violets

Okay thanks libby.

While we're on the subject of Violets, I might as well make sure...are these two girls Mauve Violets? The first one was from a Mauve: (this was the father, who might or might not have been violet also?)

 

The second one is her sister from another clutch, same parents. (same mother as the two previous birds, Banshee and Tori)

The two birds: (The second one is also a Cinnamon Spangle so that changes the colour a bit)

 

They look like mauve Sf violets :rofl:

I have no idea...she is a Spangle but I really don't think she is a Greywing (it never even crossed my mind)..Here's some photos of her back, is she actually Greywing too?

 

is there a slight trace of cinnamon?

can't really tell but if there is it would explain why she's a lighter shade

 

i'm rather interested i violet genetics myself

Bright blue cere for a girl ?

My skyviolet greywing, when paired to a violet (cobalt) produced mauves Some how... it's possible :rofl: but my girls a definate sky violet also. At first we thought they were greys, but i think they're mauves and that some how some thing weird goes on with colour intensity in pairings of greywing and violets being mixed... who knows. but i agree Definate sky violets

 

Skys and cobalts CANNOT produce mauve - it's a genetic impossibility. Mauves are double dark factor so to be mauve a chick must get one dark factor from mum and one dark factor from dad. As the mum is a sky she has NO dark factors to donate so the only possible outcomes would be skys and cobalts. Also they cannot produce grey. Grey is a dominant factor and must be present in the parents for any of the chicks to be grey (unless you have the thought to be extinct recessive grey).

 

So my bet is that either the hen is actually a cobalt but looks diluted due to the greywing OR the chicks are not mauve.

im sorry but i dont even think the hen looks grey wing

just looks normal to me but due to being spangle the dark melenim is lighter around the edge

 

 

you can see the dark edge on the out certs of wing i am going to be different and say shes normal darkwing bird she is sf violet how ever and if she is provably cinnamon she is definitely cobalt

 

is their anywhere you can get someone to actually veiw here in life if not i say

you will have to test breed a half brother sister as honestly to me she is not cinn or greywing but if she was either it would be cinn

im saying normal

She isnt cinnamon

She isnt cinnamon

 

i didnt think she was but she isnt greywing either kaz

so.... best she get someone to see in person i think

or get a clearer picture out of aviary and with more clarity

cause im sticking to not grey wing

 

this is norm vcobalt violet cock bird spangle , pics can deceive big time as you know

 

this a grey wing cobalt blue

 

 

o and she is Opaline i believe

a norml spangled opaline clear flighted pied sky violet hen thats my verdict

 

 

 

you know what though the more i look at here she does look like my cinn sky violet opaline hen you could think their sisters i will hunt down a picture :rofl:

Edited October 18, 200915 yr by GenericBlue

Okay this is confusing..I've asked before if she is Opaline and people said no. It would make sense, however, as I believe Kaz mentioned in another topic how all my chicks from this one pair (Storm and her mate) all have white down, and yet all but one have not been Opalines. I can see the difference between them and one chick I fostered that is 100% not Opaline and has very grey down. She said that it could be that one of the parents is Opaline, thus making the chicks down white? If she is not Opaline then how can you guys explain all the chicks with white down that are NOT Opaline and Storm's mates have not been Opaline nor split for it..They look like this. This is the Opaline chick and her foster sibling. All of Storm's babies have looked like the Opaline baby (the one on the right, obviously), in regards to down colour.

 

She is most definitely not Cinnamon, no trace of brown markings on her at all. Her colour does not look diluted as much as Cinnamon would dilute it. She just looks like a Skyblue Violet but is a Cobalt Violet (impossible to have the two girls in my post above, with a Mauve dad, if she is Skyblue. So rule out the thing that she is in fact Skyblue..as nubbly5 said, it would be genetically impossible.). Greywing might make the Violet go strange however, that too makes sense to me anyway.

 

Kaz, the first picture, the one you quoted, is the father of the two girls I was asking about (hence the blue cere, I'm not saying it's one of the girls, that's their dad). All three look like Mauves don't they, right? (otherwise I've got more stuff confused with these birds..)

 

More pictures of Storm, if that helps at all. This is what her real colour looks like (most of the time. It is a more skyblue colour a lot of the time too, but this is the most accurate I could get it), and some closeups of her wings too.

Edited October 18, 200915 yr by Jen144

Okay this is confusing..I've asked before if she is Opaline and people said no. It would make sense, however, as I believe Kaz mentioned in another topic how all my chicks from this one pair (Storm and her mate) all have white down, and yet all but one have not been Opalines. I can see the difference between them and one chick I fostered that is 100% not Opaline and has very grey down. She said that it could be that one of the parents is Opaline, thus making the chicks down white? If she is not Opaline then how can you guys explain all the chicks with white down that are NOT Opaline and Storm's mates have not been Opaline nor split for it..They look like this. This is the Opaline chick and her foster sibling. All of Storm's babies have looked like the Opaline baby (the one on the right, obviously), in regards to down colour.

 

She is most definitely not Cinnamon, no trace of brown markings on her at all. Her colour does not look diluted as much as Cinnamon would dilute it. She just looks like a Skyblue Violet but is a Cobalt Violet (impossible to have the two girls in my post above, with a Mauve dad, if she is Skyblue. So rule out the thing that she is in fact Skyblue..as nubbly5 said, it would be genetically impossible.). Greywing might make the Violet go strange however, that too makes sense to me anyway.

 

Kaz, the first picture, the one you quoted, is the father of the two girls I was asking about (hence the blue cere, I'm not saying it's one of the girls, that's their dad). All three look like Mauves don't they, right? (otherwise I've got more stuff confused with these birds..)

 

More pictures of Storm, if that helps at all. This is what her real colour looks like (most of the time. It is a more skyblue colour a lot of the time too, but this is the most accurate I could get it), and some closeups of her wings too.

 

 

this chick at top is a spangle opaline

 

 

mum is a normal spangle (possably clearflight pied )pos just spoted spangle (chicks will tell )

 

i went out to my aviary and took picks of my identical bird

colour, spot the works

i will post it when i get it uploaded to photo bucket

i thought she was clear flighted but she didnt have any clearflighted chicks first round thats not to say that shes not just means the chicks i got wernt they were both opaline spangle though and dad was split so im sure she is opaline (mine i mean ) so you can comepare and tell me what you think

 

if we were playing snap they would be a pair

Okay well I shall wait for you to upload your photos then.

okay im home and uploading now :rofl:

okay here is my pet type hen

 

spangle sky violet (sorry macka )Opaline , now i didnt think she was Opaline but the breeding rezults say she is :rofl:

now i thought she was clear flight pied but as i said earlier she has only given me to chicks both were spangle Opaline one cock one hen dad was split for Opaline

 

 

 

 

 

hope this helps u identify weather yours is greywing or not and or Opaline

mine is normal dark wing spangle Opaline hen im still finding out if she spot spangle or clearflight

shes up at moment so i will find out soon and will let you know if you want

Thanks, they do look almost identical don't they!

Mine probably is Opaline as all her young have had white down, whether they are Opaline or not and to different dads. This is just a guess however..for those of you more experienced, does having one Opaline parent make so that the chicks' down are white instead of grey even if the chicks themselves are not Opaline?

Storm is 100% a Cobalt Violet Spangle definitely and Clearflight Pied, (her breeding results show that) but is it because she is Greywing or because she just doesn't show her violet colour very well that she looks Skyblue instead of Cobalt? That is the only other probable reason, as she does not have brown markings (so is not Cinnamon) and I can't think of any other mutation that would have that effect on the colour.

I think it is maybe because she is a Greywing as it looks like her colour is diluted more than just not showing properly. Won't know for sure until I breed some of her babies to a Greywing and see if any of the babies are Greywings or not though.