Can any one tell me if these are cinnamon markings?

 

hard to tell as the picture is a bit fuzzy - can you take another shot? a bit further back?

Need more pics, but it looks like spangle greywing at first glance?

Need more pics, but it looks like spangle greywing at first glance?

 

i took a look yesterday at this and i thought grey wing as the feather stem (as i call it ) is not white as it would be on a cin

but was not game to say as it is to close and outy of focus but i did think grey wing

take picture of whole back mate thats always a good way to get colour and mutation sorted

For clarification....both parents are clearwings.

For clarification....both parents are clearwings.

 

that always helps thanks kaz im not even going to play then lol answer is one or the other

i did wonder if this was a serious question or not ?

given that i thought the answer should have been known by the breeder of bird

unless it was brought and with no back ground behind it i thought it was a trick question to help people learn their mutations is it ?

They may well be clearwing markings. Need a better picture!

They may well be clearwing markings. Need a better picture!

Renee is trying to work out how best to use her camera. We have chatted and she is practising with some settings so photos will be clearer.

Edited September 29, 200915 yr by KAZ

Maybe put the camera on auto to start with and go from there.

and macro (the flower) setting and hold it down until it completely focuses

I assume the bird doesn't have any throat spots?

More photos ....

 

 

 

The first 2 still look fuzzy and the last one you can see the markings but not clear enough to say yes it is cinnamon. Just my opinion though.

The first 2 still look fuzzy and the last one you can see the markings but not clear enough to say yes it is cinnamon. Just my opinion though.

 

Yeah, sorry about the photos. This chick has just fledged so getting a good photo is very challenging.

 

I just thought the markings were a bit brown and wondered if they could be cinnamon as I am not very experienced when it comes to clearwing breeding.

 

I was wondering whether the dad might be split cinnamon ....

who did you get the mum and dad from

 

i will have to say a df clearwing or maybe a Dilute clearwing like nubby5 breed

you are right does look cinn brownish but i dont know much about clearwing and that,!

cinn is possable in all mutations so

but to be cin mum would need to be vishually cinn and dad split cinn and chick could be either sex

or dad cinn and mum not and in which baby would be a hen .....

i think its clearwing as cheek patch is blueish violet

grey wings have white pearly cheek patches and a dark tail feather ...that last thing i could got backwards but one has violet blueish cheek patches the other clear

thats the sure way to tell clearwing and greywing apart

Edited September 29, 200915 yr by KAZ

There is absolutely no chance that this chick is Greywing, it was bred out of 2 visual Clearwings.

I do not think it is a clearwing as the cheek patches are very light. If a clearwing is bred to a silute, you will get clearwing offspring that are split to dilute. I think that is right. So you may have two clearwing parents, both who are split, that breed and produce a dilute youngster. 25% chance of that happening.

 

I think what I said above is right.

There is absolutely no chance that this chick is Greywing, it was bred out of 2 visual Clearwings.

 

as i said i dont understand the clear wing genetics i tossed them in the basket for when i need to use them which is not yet but i was under the belife that clear wing breed from grey wings held the grey wing gene their for to split to grey wing clear wings could produes 25 percent or one in 25 chance of producing a grey wing

 

but if you actually looked at what i wrote

you would see i said diluet clearwing

although the copy thing didnt work but its got the conversation between someone and rip budgies !!!!

 

again

i dont know

as i quiet often do here on this sight was thinking out loud so others could corect me and explain as dave has and others do

after all we are here to learn and asist eqachother not to be the smatest and most corect or the one to get in first

discution i think the word is

 

sorry all im just over people bitting others so rudley and unessersery on this place help and asistance and a polite bringing up of the quote and a simple explanation of why it can not be grey wing would have been fine ,simpale and not got my goat

thanks

if you actually read what i put you would see i did not sit on grey wing

we have a whole bit on mutations and genetic and i must be the most simpalest person i have met in regards to this (genetics ) i cant even read well ,if i can read it over and over till i get it

why can not others use this infomation

sure not everything in here is corect

but mostly is and their is some very good breeders aboard this sight that do give the corect infomation they just let the others try learn first

you should know what a clearwing looks like renee you are in enough of the show s do you not look at all the classes this is the best place to go and see what certain mutation look like

think im going to take a brake from this place for a remainder of this month

and take a chill pill

again sorry to all who do not have anything to do with my out spoken post and renee but grr read things people please

Here are the standards for clearwings

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...&artlang=en

 

Note that the Clear Wings has violet cheek patches, dark blue tail feathers and full body colour.

 

A Spangle with no markings on the wings can be mistaken with a Clear Wing, but the latter differ in cheek patches and tail feathers.

 

As the non Australian Clear Wings has markings on the wings to some extent, they can be mistaken with Grey Wings, but still - note the cheek patches, tail feathers and the body colour.

 

I am not sure Dave where you got clearwings cheek patches are light?

 

Here are pics of all 3 different dilution mutations http://www.budgieplace.com/c_dilution.html

 

Renee, from my reading greywing and clearwing are co-dominant neither is dominant over the other and together they will produce a Full Body Greywing (which you may have known but throwing it out there for others)

 

If this chick was produced from 2 clearwing parents, then it could only be a clearwing, if the markings look brownish then it probably is a cinnamon and would have to be a hen hence the father would be carrying the cinnamon gene. Is it a hen? I can't tell from the picture very well.

Here are the standards for clearwings

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...&artlang=en

 

Note that the Clear Wings has violet cheek patches, dark blue tail feathers and full body colour.

 

A Spangle with no markings on the wings can be mistaken with a Clear Wing, but the latter differ in cheek patches and tail feathers.

 

As the non Australian Clear Wings has markings on the wings to some extent, they can be mistaken with Grey Wings, but still - note the cheek patches, tail feathers and the body colour.

 

I am not sure Dave where you got clearwings cheek patches are light?

 

Here are pics of all 3 different dilution mutations http://www.budgieplace.com/c_dilution.html

 

Renee, from my reading greywing and clearwing are co-dominant neither is dominant over the other and together they will produce a Full Body Greywing (which you may have known but throwing it out there for others)

 

If this chick was produced from 2 clearwing parents, then it could only be a clearwing, if the markings look brownish then it probably is a cinnamon and would have to be a hen hence the father would be carrying the cinnamon gene. Is it a hen? I can't tell from the picture very well.

 

thats what im talking about thank you elly for a reall post

polite explaertary and to boot a link which i clearly dont know how to do.....and kaz you delited my point and i lost it ......the plot woops all its time for me to go now

owch bye

I do not believe that the hen is split dilute, I had already contacted the breeder prior to putting this pair down and was assured that she wasn't.

I am not sure Dave where you got clearwings cheek patches are light?

 

I have no problem with being corrected Elly when I am wrong, but you have misinterpreted what I typed here.

 

I said there is no way this bird is a clearwing as the cheek patches are light. If you read this correctly, I am saying it is NOT a clearwing as clearwings have violet cheek patches.

I've followed Kaz's advice re photos ....

 

 

Renee I am fairly sure you Clearwings have come from the same source as mine. If my assumption is correct the chances of the Clearwings having Cinnamon in them would be almost nil. Changes of there being Dilute in the background, well there is always that chance.

 

I always post this on this forum when there is a bird in nest feather but here I will post it again.

 

A BUDGIE IN NEST FEATHER WILL NOT SHOW FULL COLOUR IN ANY FEATHER AS THE FEATHER IS NOT FULLY MATURED!

 

From the photos provided the bird looks like a Clearwing Light Green. I would also say that if the markings are that pronounced as a baby they will be darker once it moults.

 

Also forget the damn standard when trying to classify any bird. The standard is a guide produced with a set of parameters to aid in the classifcation of a bird in relation to showing. It can be used as a rough guide but that's all. As far as some varieties as concerned it causes more problems than it solves.

I am not sure Dave where you got clearwings cheek patches are light?

 

I have no problem with being corrected Elly when I am wrong, but you have misinterpreted what I typed here.

 

I said there is no way this bird is a clearwing as the cheek patches are light. If you read this correctly, I am saying it is NOT a clearwing as clearwings have violet cheek patches.

 

 

 

And vice versa, I apologize for not reading it correctly.