i recently went to my local markets and saw the fella i normally buy all my vetafarm products off (hes in a club and sells everywhere).

i went to buy worm out gel and now he knows me asked if i want some ivomec. 100ml for $10.

now this ivomec is from a veterinary surgery

lable state:

 

Ivermectin0.8g/l

 

give as directed- 5mls/litre water

 

can this also be given as drop on if diluted or anything? or must it be in water as per instructions.

also if you can help me out, would it be the same for cockatiels? ive only adminstered as per instructions to one pair of tiels.

Edited August 19, 200916 yr by Dave_McMinn
Best not to name a particular vet - legal issues and all that jazz

Ivomec was originally developed as a sheep and cattle drench. It was the first generation of "pour on" drenches that treated both internal and external parasites (worms, lice, etc). Believe me - it is much easier to pour something on the back of a cow or sheep than it is to stick it down it's throat! There are different strengths depending on the species (cattle or sheep). I use sheep strength ivomec and the dose for a budgie is about one drop applied to the skin. It doesn't matter where you put it but I put it behind the head. Cattle strength ivomec is more concentrated so you use a bit less.

I know some people put it in the water, however it is usually in an emulsion and I am not sure how it "dissolves" in water. To be sure that the bird is treated, I would catch it and put a drop or two on the skin.

Cheers

PT

What about eradicating Quill Mites, how do you go about that?

 

I give all my birds a monthly treatment of a Rob Marshall product S76 which is ingested but I'm not sure whether that would treat quill mites. :sad:

 

I was talking to a vet student the other day and he mentioned drenching the birds in an ivomec solution once a week for 3 weeks, birds submerged in the liquid so only their ceres are exposed .... but I wonder about the specifics of the ivomec solution used.

 

Has any one had any experience eradicating quill mites and how did they go about it?

There are a couple of different Ivomec based products that are used in large animals, pour on, oral and injectable. The one I use is a pour on which is in an emulsion that doesn't disolve in water. Ivomec is a systemic product. It gets absorbed into the bloodstream though the skin. Therefore it kills anything that sucks blood (like mites) and any internal parasites (like worms).

There are a couple of different Ivomec based products that are used in large animals, pour on, oral and injectable. The one I use is a pour on which is in an emulsion that doesn't disolve in water. Ivomec is a systemic product. It gets absorbed into the bloodstream though the skin. Therefore it kills anything that sucks blood (like mites) and any internal parasites (like worms).

 

 

I there is no "sheep strength" pour-on version of ivermectin - this is where the whole ivermectin issue gets so confusing for everyone. Pour-ons are generally used in cattle as the only time a pour-on would work systemically on sheep would be directly after shearing. Still even given this there is NO registered mectin based product registered for control of worms & lice in sheep. There is a jetting fluid (different application) registered for flys & lice but nothing that works systemically on sheep.

 

The cattle Pour-On however is designed to travel through the hair and hide of the animal and the assumption is made that it also travels through the feather and skin of the budgie - although there is no published data on this (I don't think anyway), the general understanding of the industry (including the sellers of these products) is that it works extremely well on birds and distributes well around the body of the bird through the feathers AND into the body of the bird via the skin.

 

Broken record..... broken record. I don't know HOW many times I have typed this information so far BUT........

 

IVOMEC POUR-ON for CATTLE for spot-on treatment will kill external parasites AND internal parasites (i.e. LICE, SCALE MITE, BLOOD MITE (on the bird), WORMS, FEATHER LICE and yes QUILL MITE - although reading about quill mite indicates that it is a very minor issue for the bird).

 

S76 or any other WATER SOLUBLE ivermectin that is consumed by the bird will only treat internal parasites (WORMS), these products are not designed (unlike the POUR-ONS) to travel around the outside of the body.

 

Technically so that you know you CAN buy 1L or 5L or 20L of IVOMEC POUR-ON for CATTLE or BAYMEC POUR-ON for CATTLE or NOROMECTIN POUR-ON for CATTLE all over the counter at rural merchandise stores such as Elders, Landmark or any CRT (Your Local Bloke) agents. You do not need anything other than your cash to get it HOWEVER it is TECHNICALLY illegal for ANYONE other than a vet to perscribe the use of these products contrary to the registered label SO that is why vets get so antsy about needing to see you birds etc etc when you ask about ivermectin treatment.

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't make me have to type this out AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

thanks all,

nubbly5 i understand you have written this out many times now, but just for clarification, because this ivomec i have says in water, can i still apply the one drop on back. if so how can it be done, like accurately, what tool do you use.

Thanks Nubbly.

I am a cattle person not a sheep person and I assumed (first mistake) that ivomec was used the same way in sheep as we used it in cattle. I have since looked at the bottle of ivomec from our local supplier of bird stuff and it refers to it as being sheep ivomec for oral use. I have been using it as a pour on and it still works (for external parasites at least). There are oral and injectable versions of ivomec for sheep - check out http://www.vetproductsdirect.com.au/vetpro...esc.asp?Ic=2904, for info on the sheep oral version. It doesn't control externals, just internals. However to be sure I will switch to cattle ivomec.

I am guessing that it is not worth Merial and the like to get the product registered for bird use due the cost of registration versus the amount sold.

Thanks for the heads up.

No worries!

 

Cameron - water based one will be SAFE to use spot on but not sure how effective it'll be...... Cattle Pour-On is solvent based which helps it to both move around the body and through the skin.

 

And chookbreeder - absolutely right about Merial not bothering to register not worth their while - they are selling it now anyway and the cost to register (which is substantial) is not worth the potential return!

 

I spoke with a Norbrook rep at a field day recently (they produce a generic Ivermectin) who mentioned that some people also use the injectable for spot-on use. He couldn't tell me about it's effectiveness though. I'll stick with Pour-On which is designed to transfer around the body.