Hi, we're obviously NOT breeders or show folks, but we're fascinated that we have different blues from our budgie mom and dad.

My son only had basic genetics, but if you can outline it to him, he might be able to explain it to me. :sad:

Any guessing on the sexes, also? My son, based on examples he's seen here, thinks Xena our little warrior princess, can remain a Xena, and not be changed to Xenu.

 

 

I hope you can read the names in the pics...

Lucy and Horton = mom and dad

Babies: Nibbler, Simone, Stewart, Colbert, Xena

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nibbler and Simone look like cocks and Xena looks like a hen and I can't really see the others.

As for mutations all the babies exsept Stewart who looks to be an opaline domanent pied. Are all normal domanent pied's.

Sorry I'm not even one hundred percent myself.

Too produce blue offspring both parents must be carring the blue gene so both of them may have had a blue parent, grandparent eg:

Edited August 10, 200915 yr by Jodie

Thanks Jodie,

Simone was originally named for Simon Pegg but she/he was so sweet and "feminine" we changed it to Simone. So we can go back to Simon! lol

 

I've been googling dominant pied/opaline dominant pied and I see now what you mean.

We were marvelling at the different blues though; Stewart and Simon are the same dark sky blue, but Xena is an aqua, seen best on the back of her leg in the last picture.

They are all 100% Dominant Pied, I don't see any opaline in the babies.

The mom is an opaline Dominant Pied so any male off spring are split for opaline

As Jodie said, both parents are carrying the blue gene.

 

Welcome to the forums :sad:.

 

To have the babies sexed better you will need to get a picture of their cere with no flash and post in the What Sex is my Budgie forum .

Thanks Elly I'll give it another shot ... haven't been too successful so far, holding them still and taking a macro at the same time! lol

Lucy is an opaline dominant pied light green

Horton is a dominant pied dark green

 

Nibler is dominant pied light (I think) green

Simone is dominant pied cobalt

Stewart is a double factor dominant pied cobalt

Colbert is dominant pied dark green

Xena is dominant pied sky blue

 

The usual expectation from mating two dominant pieds is 50% dominant pied, 25% normal & 25% double factor dominant pied

 

Opaline is a sex-linked mutation. Because your hen is opaline all the male chicks will be split for opaline. For opaline to be visible in the chicks the cock bird must have genes for opaline

 

Both parents must have genes for blue to have produced blue chicks. The reason you have different shades is because of the dark factor. The cock has 1 dark factor and the hen has none so their half chicks would be expected to have 1 dark factor and the other half no dark factor. Sky blue and light green are no dark factor shades, cobalt and dark green are 1 dark factor shades.

 

Here are links to some simple rules about genetics I wrote for beginners that might be of interest

http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars....legenetics1.htm

http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars....legenetics2.htm

Thanks Jodie,

Simone was originally named for Simon Pegg but she/he was so sweet and "feminine" we changed it to Simone. So we can go back to Simon! lol

 

I've been googling dominant pied/opaline dominant pied and I see now what you mean.

We were marvelling at the different blues though; Stewart and Simon are the same dark sky blue, but Xena is an aqua, seen best on the back of her leg in the last picture.

 

Welcome Kate

 

Xena is a skyblue and Stewart and Simon are both cobalts. As Neville says, is because of the dark factor gene. The mum has no dark factor genes (light green) and the dad has one dark factor gene (dark green). In blues no dark factor gene gives you skyblue, one dark factor gene gives you cobalt.

 

Just for interest, if you get 2 dark factor genes in a bird the colour in greens is called Olive and in blues it's Mauve. Olives look well.... olive - similar to grey green but with a better depth of green and a violet cheek patch. Mauves are an unusual, sometimes almost blackish purplie type of colour, which often looks quite patchy - hard to explain it really.

So ... nobody is normal? lol

 

Thanks Neville and nubbly5, this is an education. I had wondered about the "DF" talk elsewhere and what it meant.

Of the two yellow/green, Nibbler is indeed lighter green than Colbert.

 

Those linked sites are very easy to understand, thank you!

So ... nobody is normal? lol

 

Thanks Neville and nubbly5, this is an education. I had wondered about the "DF" talk elsewhere and what it meant.

Of the two yellow/green, Nibbler is indeed lighter green than Colbert.

 

Those linked sites are very easy to understand, thank you!

 

Just to confuse you a bit sometimes we mad budgie people shorten dark factor to DF and then sometimes we also shorten double factor to DF. If you see DF spangle that means double factor spangle and what THAT means is that the bird has 2 copies of the spangle gene. DF dominant pied is a generally understood to be a dominant pied with 2 copies of the dom pied gene...... umm sorry about that.... confusing I know.......

Thanks nubbly5, I think I'M the one who had confused "DF" with "DF"... Hopefully I won't need to dig deeper into color combos, as I don't want more breeding from my now extended budgie family.

I know, you're saying GOOD LUCK with that!! haha