This is the breeding journal of Storm and Sunny. I haven't made a breeding journal here yet becaue I wasn't sure how the breeding would go..Here are pics of them. I have no idea why, but I always am thinking Sunny is split for ino..no idea if he is, no one knows his parents. So maybe he will be split albino..that would be really cool!

 

So, explain what's happened so far. I put them together on the 7/7. After exactly one week Storm laid an egg, but I think it was infertile and she threw it out. On the 18th she laid another, then another on the 20th. Then I went for the weekend, came back, and 3 eggs were out of the nest..two broken, and one fertile (egg two). I put the fertile one back, just in case.

She then laid another one on the 26th, one on the 28th, and one more on the 30th. The sixth one is due today, on the 1st of the 8th. I just candled them:

Egg one: Perfectly fine and fertile, I could actually see the chick inside moving a bit when I candled it! It's due to hatch from the 5th-8th or so of this month.

Egg two: I have a question about egg two. It was the one thrown out of the nest for who knows how long..24 hours maximum. It used to have veins and all, but now it has an air bubble at the top like normal, the rest of the egg is an orange-yellow with a red spot inside and a red ring as well. She doesn't sit on it anymore, so I'm positive it is addled/dead. Just want to make sure, and if I should remove it then?

Egg three: Fine and fertile, it's developing, I could see veins etc.

Egg four: Fertile too, maybe. Is a bit young, but does look like it's developing.

Egg five: Too young to tell.

Very confusing as I'm only guessing (except for egg one, four, and five I'm certain about) which ones were chucked out, what date the others were laid, etc. Could be egg three or two which is addled, doesn't really matter what number though, just means there will be gaps as to when they hatch.

It is very good there are so many fertile ones..Sunny has figured out how to mate, obviously..Last time he was to breed with her all the eggs were infertile, as he did everything but mate with her!

I'll update when more eggs are laid, if she's going to lay more. Plus when the chick hatches in a couple days!

Very exiting!

it doesnt sound addled to me, is it possible for you to incubate it or foster it and see>?

Yeah I'm going to keep it in I think, just in case..in any event, it can be used when chicks start to hatch, so they can cuddle up to it.

This is the breeding journal of Storm and Sunny. I haven't made a breeding journal here yet becaue I wasn't sure how the breeding would go..Here are pics of them. I have no idea why, but I always am thinking Sunny is split for ino..no idea if he is, no one knows his parents. So maybe he will be split albino..that would be really cool!

 

So, explain what's happened so far. I put them together on the 7/7. After exactly one week Storm laid an egg, but I think it was infertile and she threw it out. Birds arent usually that smart.......young mothers throw out some eggs as they dont recognise them as having come from them and may still be cleaning the nest out and throw it out in the cleaning out nest process.

If COLONY BREEDING its other birds that throw out the eggs by going in the nestbox and throwing it out to claim the nest as their own.

 

On the 18th she laid another, then another on the 20th. Then I went for the weekend, came back, and 3 eggs were out of the nest..two broken, and one fertile (egg two). I put the fertile one back, just in case.

Any other birds in the aviry with this pair ??

 

She then laid another one on the 26th, one on the 28th, and one more on the 30th. The sixth one is due today, on the 1st of the 8th. I just candled them:

Egg one: Perfectly fine and fertile, I could actually see the chick inside moving a bit when I candled it! It's due to hatch from the 5th-8th or so of this month.

Egg two: I have a question about egg two. It was the one thrown out of the nest for who knows how long..24 hours maximum. It used to have veins and all, but now it has an air bubble at the top like normal, the rest of the egg is an orange-yellow with a red spot inside and a red ring as well. She doesn't sit on it anymore, so I'm positive it is addled/dead. Just want to make sure, and if I should remove it then? The red ring your described means its addled and stopped at a certain stage.

Egg three: Fine and fertile, it's developing, I could see veins etc.

Egg four: Fertile too, maybe. Is a bit young, but does look like it's developing.

Egg five: Too young to tell.

Very confusing as I'm only guessing (except for egg one, four, and five I'm certain about) which ones were chucked out, what date the others were laid, etc. Could be egg three or two which is addled, doesn't really matter what number though, just means there will be gaps as to when they hatch.

It is very good there are so many fertile ones..Sunny has figured out how to mate, obviously..Last time he was to breed with her all the eggs were infertile, as he did everything but mate with her!

I'll update when more eggs are laid, if she's going to lay more. Plus when the chick hatches in a couple days!

Edited August 1, 200915 yr by KAZ

Sorry those pictures are a little old, they were taken while the birds were still in the aviary. They are currently in a breeding cage by themselves.

Any reason not to chuck the dead egg? Storm seems to have stopped at 5, she doesn't have 'egg bum' and usually lays early afternoon..it is now 15 to 4pm and no sixth egg.

open the egg if you have a strong stomach and see how far the chick developed

i would keep it or open it

Only 3-6 more days til the first egg hatches!!

And all four eggs are fertile, and Storm will probably lay another to replace the addled one, in a couple days.

Only two eggs left unfortunately, one died in the middle of hatching and the other was DIS. The baby in the DIS egg looked to have something wrong with its beak, too, so maybe that was for the best I suppose...

Anyway, egg number one out of the two is hatching today! (on day 18 of incubation)

 

Now, I need some advice..I do not want what happened to the last egg that was hatching and then died, because I intervened too late as I was very wary of helping it too early and accidentally killing it myself..

So, the egg that is hatching now (started at 12pm) I want to check on it and candle it to make sure nothing has gone wrong and it's not having trouble, but I most definitely do not want to overcheck and harm it by doing that! So I need to know would it be okay to put it in an incubator and there I can watch its progress without disturbing Storm?

Or, do what I've been doing so far, is check on it whenever Storm leaves the nest for a while..because she would know when to leave the nest and not let the eggs cool down or get too dry wouldn't she?

Don't tell me to calm down and leave it please .. because I just want to keep an eye on it and make sure it's alright, as I really do not want what happened to the first baby to happen to this one..

 

Also, I've noticed that its shell is quite discoloured..a sort of purply colour around the top, is that a bad thing or..? I really don't know what that means, the baby is very active and peeping in the shell so it seems okay..

 

 

Any advice would be great.

Okaay, don't everyone rush to answer lol..Doesn't matter, one baby hatched and that is all for this clutch. Just curious if someone (Kaz?) can tell me if she is in fact a girl or not, I know 5 days is quite quite early but you guys are good at that sort of thing. Would like to know so I can call her Tori or Arian..(if she's a girl or a boy). I'm thinking girl, but that's a very uneducated guess!

 

 

 

Those pics are natural light, no flash or anything. Replies would be good!

it looks to be plum eyed, which will mean either recessive pied (which I doubt) (DF spangle)which is impossible from that pairing or cinnamon, which is more likely

So going by parents visual genetics and meaning the cock is split to cinnamon you're correct that is a hen.

Having siad that that only applies if the eyes are infact cinnamon

Really, you think she has plum eyes?! I sort of thought she might have when she hatched, but wasn't really sure..here's a picture from the day she hatched, does that look like plum or black eyes? Oh I so hope she is Cinnamon, it's the only likely colour for her to be, I know Storm isn't split Recessive pied.

yep Plum eyes

Congrats on your little cinnamon girl!

Just updating and asking one question!

The baby, Tori, is 8 days old and can sit up and move around a lot!

What I'm asking about is that she has dark pin feathers all over her, except for a bit on her head. Wondering if it means anything (what her markings are going to look like when she's older) or if it will get darker pin feathers there too, later.

 

 

It's like a ring, from the top to down the sides of her head.

Edited August 20, 200915 yr by Jen144

Neither of her parents are pieds, so like Liv meant, unless she is a recessive pied, I doubt that she wil be a pied.

 

Not sure the ring means anything.The dad was split to cinnamon and you did nto know. He might also be split to opaline.

Her mum is a Clearflight Pied, so she could indeed be pied..Is that why the strange marking on her head?

Opaline? Do you think she is opaline as well?

so cute. I'm proud of you!

Beautiful little baby Jen144, I'd say the chick is a hen..... :rofl:

how you tell that young is something I can't get my head around!!! Oh well, its too cute!

Thanks anne101 and mysixbabies, she is gorgeous isn't she! As gorgeous as an unfeathered bird can get lol.

 

 

 

Nobody has an answer for my question about the marking on her head?

I did not realise her mother was a pied.

 

Often the discolouration of skin, by that I mean that some parts are pink and some parts have the darker melanin in them, means that different coloured feathers will grow. Pieds often have that type of "skin discolouration" as well, so you will have to wait and see. It is nothing to worry about, but it is interesting. More funt o speculate on than anything else.

 

As for opaline, the colour of the down is a good way to tell. Opaline babies have white down, so it looks like things are headed that way.

Alright so it could just mean nothing or could mean she is Pied..I love guessing and seeing what turns up at the end!

 

Wow so she could be Opaline as well as Cinnamon? That would be the best thing ever, I knew I might get suprises--what with not knowing any of Sunny's ancestors--but Opaline and Cinnamon would be a very good suprise lol.

This look like white down or the normal grey?

 

 

white

Stormy is such a good mum, she filled Tori's crop until the little bub had trouble standing up!

Here's a picture of her today, at 11 days old. Growing more and more..

Tori must be a Pied, just a very lightly pied. You can see the two white pinfeathers on her head and it looks like the rest will be the normal black. 12 days old now.