Hi All, I have these two birds bonded, Breeder told me not to breed two y.faced birds to-gether or you lose one dark factor.What will this mean if they rear chicks. Any help appreciated. I don't have any alternate bird available for them so thought I'd let nature take it's course. Robyn

 

 

 

 

YF to YF is not advised because you get DF YF which are birds with a white face hiding yellowface.

YF to YF is not advised because you get DF YF which are birds with a white face hiding yellowface.

 

 

What about YF to Goldenface or Goldenface to Goldenface?

YF to YF is not advised because you get DF YF which are birds with a white face hiding yellowface.

 

Thank's Kaz, Does this mean any chicks would be white faced, but their young could revert to yellow faced? Still trying to get the hang of this. I'm not showing birds as long as it doesn't lessen/weaken the composition of the birds.

YF to YF is not advised because you get DF YF which are birds with a white face hiding yellowface.

 

Thank's Kaz, Does this mean any chicks would be white faced, but their young could revert to yellow faced? Still trying to get the hang of this. I'm not showing birds as long as it doesn't lessen/weaken the composition of the birds.

yes They dont revert to YF though, they hide YF. If means they are double factor YF but dont show that they are YF. A DF YF will produce all YF chicks in its nests as far as I recall.

Edited July 24, 200915 yr by KAZ

YF to YF is not advised because you get DF YF which are birds with a white face hiding yellowface.

 

Thank's Kaz, Does this mean any chicks would be white faced, but their young could revert to yellow faced? Still trying to get the hang of this. I'm not showing birds as long as it doesn't lessen/weaken the composition of the birds.

yes They dont revert to YF though, they hide YF. If means they are double factor YF but dont show that they are YF. A DF YF will produce all YF chicks in its nests as far as I recall.

 

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

Edited July 24, 200915 yr by KAZ

Your initial photos have vanished??

Yellow face breeding is STILL the biggest source of confusion and heresay even among the big show breeders i talk to who have been doing it for years. Many of them still believe you have to 'breed out' yellow spillage from a goldenface. What many of them fail to realise it the distinct varieties, Yellow face type 1 (often referred to by the old school champions here as lemon face, a term i actually prefer now considering the genes involved), Yellow face type 2 with the distinct sea foam green or aqua colour in blue birds (noteably sky blue) - i have had breeders tell me such a bird is a lemon face with bad spillage that needs to be bred to 'this or that' mutation to 'fix' it. Then there is golden face and its many composites and as such, it has the largest variation of spillage and/or patchyness in its coloration.There is nothing wrong with pairing yellow faces together if you like yellow faces. It has no effect whatsoever on dark factors, although the breeder may have meant you lose the pure blue colour and find yourself with a seafoam green or aqua bird.I have paired right now a yellowface type two and a yellow face type one. This will give me 50% yellowface type 2 chicks, 25% yellow face type 1 chicks and 25% white face chicks. Absolutely no probs there If you want further breeding outcomes pm me

 

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

By the way kaz, I would LOVE the cock bird. I could use him for show breeding OR colour breeding as i am in need of a double factor yellow face type one, and he just happens to be gorgeous to boot

Edited July 24, 200915 yr by Dean_NZ

The yellow face gene has nothing to do with the dark factor so you won't loose anything

 

The 2 birds you have pictured are different types of yellow face . The first one is a type 2 and the second is type 1 so breeding them together will not produce any double factor yellow face birds.

The result should be about:

25% type 1

25% type 2

25% combinations of the two types but the type 2 will mask the type 1

25% normal white face

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

By the way kaz, I would LOVE the cock bird. I could use him for show breeding OR colour breeding as i am in need of a double factor yellow face type one, and he just happens to be gorgeous to boot

You may not Dean.....he is the father of the three feather dusters and it appears to have come from him.

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

Great looking bird Kaz, BUT reading further seems looks can be deceiving, would the breeding 2 y.f birds have any bearing on your feather dusters? or is that another genetic problem?

Yellow face breeding is STILL the biggest source of confusion and heresay even among the big show breeders i talk to who have been doing it for years. Many of them still believe you have to 'breed out' yellow spillage from a goldenface. What many of them fail to realise it the distinct varieties, Yellow face type 1 (often referred to by the old school champions here as lemon face, a term i actually prefer now considering the genes involved), Yellow face type 2 with the distinct sea foam green or aqua colour in blue birds (noteably sky blue) - i have had breeders tell me such a bird is a lemon face with bad spillage that needs to be bred to 'this or that' mutation to 'fix' it. Then there is golden face and its many composites and as such, it has the largest variation of spillage and/or patchyness in its coloration.There is nothing wrong with pairing yellow faces together if you like yellow faces. It has no effect whatsoever on dark factors, although the breeder may have meant you lose the pure blue colour and find yourself with a seafoam green or aqua bird.I have paired right now a yellowface type two and a yellow face type one. This will give me 50% yellowface type 2 chicks, 25% yellow face type 1 chicks and 25% white face chicks. Absolutely no probs there If you want further breeding outcomes pm me

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

By the way kaz, I would LOVE the cock bird. I could use him for show breeding OR colour breeding as i am in need of a double factor yellow face type one, and he just happens to be gorgeous to boot

Thanks Dean, the Hen is already a lovely aqua colour a bit different to photo. Spangle is "lightish" blue but very nice. Could chicks be dilute of these or am I right off track?

The yellow face gene has nothing to do with the dark factor so you won't loose anythingThe 2 birds you have pictured are different types of yellow face . The first one is a type 2 and the second is type 1 so breeding them together will not produce any double factor yellow face birds. The result should be about:25% type 125% type 225% combinations of the two types but the type 2 will mask the type 125% normal white face

Thank you Neville, I'm still at a loss with genetics etc. but hopfully they will breed nice babies for my aviary as I'm not into showing birds. Can you successfully pair either bird with another later, if they have bonded with each other now? If that makes sense, (wife swapping I suppose) when they are all in open aviary.

Your initial photos have vanished??

Thanks Liv, don't know what happened there. I'm new at photobucket as well so maybe I did something wrong there. Don't know how to (re-set? ) pics on post or would I have to re do the lot ?

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

Great looking bird Kaz, BUT reading further seems looks can be deceiving, would the breeding 2 y.f birds have any bearing on your feather dusters? or is that another genetic problem?

Livs feather dusters not mine and the YF has nothing to do with it.

This grey spangle cock on the left ( belonging to Liv ) is a double factor yellowface. All of his chicks were YF.

Great looking bird Kaz, BUT reading further seems looks can be deceiving, would the breeding 2 y.f birds have any bearing on your feather dusters? or is that another genetic problem?

Livs feather dusters not mine and the YF has nothing to do with it.

 

Hi All, I have these two birds bonded, Breeder told me not to breed two y.faced birds to-gether or you lose one dark factor.What will this mean if they rear chicks. Any help appreciated. I don't have any alternate bird available for them so thought I'd let nature take it's course. Robyn

 

 

 

 

 

Shifted your photobucket pictures ? Broken links.....can you fix this ?