I know I've asked this question before but I always get mixed answers so I end up in the same spot.

 

I'd like to know the exact mutations of two of my hens and one of my cocks.

 

1. Cielito

 

- Is she a Yellowface type 1 or type 2? The yellow doesn't bleed into her blue feathers but she has it all over. She is 11 months old.

- Is she a Skyblue Violet? I know she is not a skyblue and she is not as dark as a cobalt.

 

Cielito

 

 

Cielito and Sonny (cobalt)

 

For Comparison:

One of my Skyblues Zu-Zu.

 

 

 

2. Nixie

 

- Is she a Yellowface type 2 or a Goldenface? Her yellow is brighter than Cielito's and almost as bright as Sonny's.

- Does she have a violet factor? I'm terrible identifying violets. Nixie is 7 months old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nixie and Sonny

 

 

 

 

 

3. Sonny

 

- I've been told he is a Goldenface... is he? He is 7 months old.

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

-Corina

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by Cory

Can't help with the mutations sorry, but I must say.....beautiful birds!!

i agree they are beautiful as for mutations i will let others answer that

Here are my guesses.

 

 

 

YF 2 Sky Violet Recessive pied hen

 

 

YF 2 Sky Violet Recessive pied hen & YF2 sky violet dominant pied cock

Opaline, Spangle, Dominant pied Sky blue cock.

 

 

 

Australian YF opaline Sky violet hen

 

 

 

Austrlialian YF Dominant pied Sky Violet Cock

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with Liv on the mutations as for the Sky Violet I am not as familar with them they personally look like cobalts to me, if you used a flash on the birds it will change the coloring of the blue, if you didn't use a flash they seems cobalt to me personally.

Sky violets look like cobalt, but have violet around the neck

Isn't that opalance from the Opaline gene too though not just the violet gene? Just wonderings.

Thanks for the replies

 

I tried to provide pictures with flash and without flash. I couldn't find any pictures without flash for Cielito.. but all the pics are very accurate.

 

What would be the Australian Yellowface? Never heard of it.. or is it the same as goldenface?

 

They do have a purple tinge around their necks.. especially Nixie.

I agree with the sky violert verdict......they are

I agree with the sky violert verdict......they are

 

 

Thank you

 

So all three are sky violets.. I have no cobalts then? Are Sonny and Nixie YF2 or goldenfaces? I'm a little confused.. is an Australian YF the same as goldenface?

 

Sorry for all the questions.. mutations are so confusing..

Golden face and Australian Yellow Face are the same i believe.

yes they are liv.

 

I don't agree with the colours.

 

1. Cielito - YF 2 sky violet

2. Nixie - goldenface Opaline Opaline - the cheek patches do not show any darkness to them to mark the violet gene

3.Sonny - goldenface dom. pied violet - he appears way too dark to be sky voilet, as he is darker than a cobalt.

I agree with the sky violert verdict......they are

sorry I was talking abouyt two of them I dont think this one is skyviolet at all but

cobalt

Ha. Thanks Kaz

 

Should I go with Nerwen's answer then?

I know I've asked this question before but I always get mixed answers so I end up in the same spot.I'd like to know the exact mutations of two of my hens and one of my cocks.

 

1. Cielito

 

- Is she a Yellowface type 1 or type 2? The yellow doesn't bleed into her blue feathers but she has it all over. She is 11 months old.

Do you know her parentage? I would wager she is the child of a Yellowface type two and yellowface type one pairing. Although technically not correct, the easiest way to explain her is a yellowface type 2 masking yellowface type 1. Although as i said, thats not the correct way to state it, just the simplest.

- Is she a Skyblue Violet? I know she is not a skyblue and she is not as dark as a cobalt. Sky blue violet indeed.

 

Cielito

 

 

For Comparison:One of my Skyblues Zu-Zu. Sky blue dominant pied spangle (has opalescence but i wouldnt say its opaline)

 

 

 

2. Nixie

 

- Is she a Yellowface type 2 or a Goldenface? Her yellow is brighter than Cielito's and almost as bright as Sonny's.Goldenface

- Does she have a violet factor? I'm terrible identifying violets. Nixie is 7 months old.Yep, goldenface violet skyblue opaline

 

 

 

3. Sonny- I've been told he is a Goldenface... is he? He is 7 months old. Goldenface dominant pied violet skyblue

 

Thanks,-Corina

 

 

I agree with the sky violert verdict......they are

 

sorry I was talking abouyt two of them I dont think this one is skyviolet at all but cobalt

 

Feathering is skyblue not cobalt. Cobalts have ribbed feathers and lack the skyblue sheen that is so commonly desired in rainbows to 'brighten' the overall look.

Edited July 24, 200916 yr by Dean_NZ

Thanks Dean_NZ

Now I'm more confused than ever!

So.. Sonny and Nixie are goldenfaces.

I don't know Cielito's parents.. but she's been through so many moults already and the yellow never bleeds into the blue (I don't know if that helps).

 

I'm confused about Sonny and Nixie's true colors.. some say skyblue some violet and some cobalt.

 

Well Sonny is a very dark blue especially on his back it almost looks like royal blue even darker than some cobalts I've seen.

 

Nixie's color is also dark.. I would say its much like Cielito's. I've seen alot of pictures of goldenface skyblues and she is darker but she is not as dark as the goldenface cobalts I've seen.

 

and.. Zu-Zu is a spangle?! I'm in shock here.. is he really? Because that would be great

 

All the pictures are very accurate.

Edited July 24, 200916 yr by Cory

Cielito – Type 1 yellow face recessive pied violet sky blue

 

Sonny – Type 2 yellow face dominant pied cobalt

 

Zu-zu Opaline spangle dominant pied sky blue

 

Nixie – Type 2 yellow face opaline cobalt (don’t think she’s violet)

 

Violet is always difficult to be sure about in photos but although a purple hue showing around the neck is usually a sign of violet every bird with this effect is not necessarily violet.

Thanks Neville

 

So whose answer do I go with? I guess I'll never know for sure until I breed them?

Cielito – Type 1 yellow face recessive pied violet sky blue

 

Sonny – Type 2 yellow face dominant pied cobalt

 

Zu-zu Opaline spangle dominant pied sky blue

 

Nixie – Type 2 yellow face opaline cobalt (don't think she's violet)

 

Violet is always difficult to be sure about in photos but although a purple hue showing around the neck is usually a sign of violet every bird with this effect is not necessarily violet.

okay now i will say my part

nev is closest in the fact that the mutations are all spot one exept i agree with who ever it was that said cielito was type two and i yellow face the colours nev said are in my opinion spot on the the violet gf cock you can see he has an emerald green look to him kind of olive mossy look thats dead give away a gf bird is violet

i would go with nevs advice

Nixie is lovely...