Thanks Dean,

 

I did consider an autopsy... but there are no registered avian vets here in SA so it would be more a slice and dice for the vets curiosity, rather than anything really beneficial or educational coming from it, so he was buried under a bush soon after he died. If there is someone in SA (breeder or normal vet) who is skilled with avian autopsies i would love to know.

Hugs liv xoxo

He had a life longer than he deserved because he knew you, lucky him...thank you

The two FD brothers are doing well. They are nice and weighty, and the little rascals love attention. They are all but identical, except i can tell the subtile differences between them. Oh, and Shaggy has his wings clipped... and they both have breeders rings on hehe

 

They both need a good bath.. i have tried puting a dish in for them and they get soaked, but then cant get dry... how to bathe a FD???

 

Shaggy

 

Cirrus

 

They are only 7 weeks old... Quilla passed at 6 weeks of age.

Edited August 2, 200915 yr by **Liv**

could you clip them, then spray them with a small hand held sprayer, you know the ones that you can use to mist a bird ona hot day

 

that way, they get wet, but not soaked.

 

Give them a hot lamp to dry under

Im sorry about Quilla Liv.....

 

R.I.P Little Quilla ...

Iam very much against,this keeping FD alive,it is the wrong thing to

do,it is very cruel & there is nothing to be gained,by keeping them alive.

& you all look, on it as being kind.By saying you that dosent mean I am

singleing out you Liv,it goes for anyone else,that thinks they are being

kind,some come on here & complain about the treatment of birds in

pet shops,this is far worse in my opinion & would think there are others

on here,who think the same but don't like to say.

Edited August 2, 200915 yr by Dave_McMinn

Part of me agrees with what you say Macka, another part of me disagrees.

 

The agreement part says that maybe it is cruel to keep these birds alive. They should not have to suffer through what will ultimately be a short life where they can not operate as God meant them to be.

 

The part of me that disagrees says that every living creature is precious and they deserve the chance to live. God makes us all, as we are. We just shape and modify things to suit ourselves.

 

Some people find them cute, some people do not. Should we put a dog down that loses a leg in an accident? What if that accident was defending you from something that was going to hurt you? Seems a crappy reward.

 

I remember a debate on here a while ago where some people thought that we should not try to save sick birds, as it simply means that we are breeding that weakness into our next line of birds. People took multiple approaches in that debate as well.

 

Ultimately, they are Liv's birds. It is her choice. She is making them comfortable. If Liv was seeking to breed with them, that would be different. The way I see it, she is simply making their limited time more comfortable.

so sorry that Quilla passed at 6 weeks of age

 

i hope thay will last a bit longer

 

:thumbs_up: how did you get your site on the photos

Edited August 2, 200915 yr by shannon bird breeder

Definatly two ways to see it...

I look upon it as: if you're helping them to have a life then it's a good thing. Once all quality of life is gone, fair enough, but these look like happy healthy birds. Although they're not going to have a normal life span or feather growth I beleive with Liv's care of their feathers and a healthy diet they'll live a life worth living like any other bird. They're not in pain, just uncomfortable. When nature beleives it's time, that's when i beleive it's time. Having said that I am anti-euthinasia... so very bias :thumbs_up:

Keep up the wonderful work Liv, I'd be doing exactly the same thing.

Thanks for your concern Macka. I agree it is wrong to keep birds alive who are suffering. These little guys are not suffering. They are living inside in the warmth, with all the food and supplements they need. They are on top of their feather growth as they are plump and strong. They are lively and love attention from people - they chirp happily when i pick them up to gave them a cuddle, and they love having their long head feathers scratched. :thumbs_up: :rofl:

 

I am not anti-euthanasia, and when they loose the will to live, its visible in their eyes. I know what to do.

Edited August 2, 200915 yr by **Liv**

Well said Liv!!!

Iam very much against,this keeping FD alive,it is the wrong thing to

do,it is very cruel & there is nothing to be gained,by keeping them alive.

& you all look, on it as being kind.By saying you that dosent mean I am

singleing out you Liv,it goes for anyone else,that thinks they are being

kind,some come on here & complain about the treatment of birds in

pet shops,this is far worse in my opinion & would think there are others

on here,who think the same but don't like to say.

 

Great. Lets also kill every human with congenital birth defects, intellectual disability, downs syndrome and every other 'cruel and unkind' thing that afflicts quality of life.

 

Who says they are suffering? By Liv's account they relish attention and are delightful little creatures. Chronic pain or fatigue would be evident in their bearing - they certainly dont sit there fluffed up waiting to die. They are as full of life as they can be with the added weight of the feathers.

 

Bravo liv!

Edited August 3, 200915 yr by Dean_NZ

we should respect everyones opinions, and as liv is the owner of the birds,

and she knows them best, i think she would have the wisest choice on what should happen to these birds.

I see everyones point of view, and each one there are parts i agree and disagree.

It might be creul to keep the birds alive, maybe not, but i think that if liv keeps these birds until they die, god had made it meant to be that way,

for them to live that long,

as though we are giving the birds best chance on earth while it is here....

How is it cruel when they are happy and having fun? I wish Liv looked after me...

I see these FD babies as the human counterpart of the downs syndrome child. I would never advocate euthenasia in either case. As long as there is some enjoyment of life it should go on and the choice to be made is Livs. I would do exactly what Liv is doing up to the point they were suffering and then I would end it, as Liv has also stated she would too if she had to.

Noone else can force their methodology onto another person with regard to the great debate...........EUTHENASIA.

Re. euthenasia, I was anti but some of these posts are making me change my mind on the subject. Ha, Ha

Thanks for your concern Macka. I agree it is wrong to keep birds alive who are suffering. These little guys are not suffering. They are living inside in the warmth, with all the food and supplements they need. They are on top of their feather growth as they are plump and strong. They are lively and love attention from people - they chirp happily when i pick them up to gave them a cuddle, and they love having their long head feathers scratched. :yes:

 

I am not anti-euthanasia, and when they loose the will to live, its visible in their eyes. I know what to do.

I have read the post,that have been posted,since my post & I will reserve my thoughts.

But to compare a bird, with a human life,I just shake my head.

But to compare a bird, with a human life,I just shake my head.

 

I think all life is life, Macka - including wildlife. And given that we (humans) have taken on the responsibilities as pet / bird owners we have a duty of care, and owe it to the bird species (who we have taken away from their natural environment and bred up to be exhibition types) to care for them.

 

I know this comment is a bit of a stretch from your comment above, but I believe that the RSPCA will not care one way or another that "its only a bird" - they will fine anyone for being cruel. Sure, if it was a person, they might get life / go to jail, but a hefty fine and a bad name etc is not something to be thrilled about (at least in my mind).

Sounds like you have been shaken and stirred 007...

Seeing as you have mentioned,the RSPCA.I would think they would take a dim

veiw,to keeping a bird's alive,that's going to die from a breeding defect.

Unless you are all vegetarians,you are eating animals,that is killed

for meat.I don't see the problem of have a poor bird put down.

Seeing as you have mentioned,the RSPCA.I would think they would take a dim

veiw,to keeping a bird's alive,that's going to die from a breeding defect.

Unless you are all vegetarians,you are eating animals,that is killed

for meat.I don't see the problem of have a poor bird put down.

 

their is nothing wrong with theses birds apart from a gene that makes their growth rapped and in a way their like that little guy qwinten remember him

as far as i see it the birds will die when their time comes

it is not like liv has them hooked up to a breathing aperatis or feeding them antibiotics to keep them alive they are simply being feed a very-ed diet nothing more than any other well loved budgie would be feed

if they were suffering from wasting or such liv would be the first person to recognize the need for them to be gentally put to sleep through anesthetist

i do not know liv well but enough to know she would be not able to bear seeing these birds suffering in anyway for any reason

this is not an experiment

nor is it a reacquiring happening

it was a stroke of bad luck that liv decided to share with us all

and it is very interesting at that to see the development in these young birds

i for one never knew the sighns before this as i do now

we all do things diffrent

me personally would also try give them a completable life till they needed either assistance to pass or weather they passed happily one day as quilla did

how ever knowing the sighns in the nest would probably cull any other chicks at first defanent sighns of this recurring

before the chick or chicks were of age to leave nest

and i would defendantly would not keep the birds whom breed this in first place nor would i breed with any of the other chicks from the same clutch as being a rececive gene it can go through out your whole flock in future breedings

but again this is me

liv has a good judgment of right and wrong

i trust her judgment where these or any other birds of her's lifes are of concern

Thank you GB... what a beautiful post.

 

As they are coming out of their baby cuteness, i am noticing they are very bonded to each other. They seem to really thrive on companionship. They lay on top of each other when sleeping, feed together and preen each other to the best of their ability.

 

They also really love human contact. when i put them back in the cage after a play, they stand at the door calling out to me to play again.

 

The main concern.. which is fairly minor really... is keeping their feathers looking lovely and silky. Because they live on the cage bottom, their feathers on their breast and in the mask are dull and a bit dirty. But their other feathers are silky and glossy, so its just from dirt and food rather than a dietary issue.

I guess the next thing you could do,is put up a weeky picture progress & show how they are doing

& how long the feathers keep growing.

I guess the next thing you could do,is put up a weeky picture progress & show how they are doing

& how long the feathers keep growing.

 

Thats what i am doing macka