Posted July 16, 200915 yr Could someone please tell me what they would make? When is the best time to have them start to mate? (Harry is already jumping on Sparkle ) and if they are old enough? They are almost a year old. Thanks all Him: and Her:
July 16, 200915 yr I'll give it a go. Assuming infor based only on the visual aspects of the birds. Yellow Danish Pied Cock (not split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet not split for danish pied) 50% chance normal light green split for danish pied 50% chance normal dark green split for danish pied 50% chance of these carrying violet If they are split for blue and/or danish pied..... Yellow Danish Pied Cock (split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet not split for danish pied) 25% chance normal light green 25% chance normal dark green 25% chance skyblue 25% chance cobalt 50% chance of these carrying violet Yellow Danish Pied Cock (not split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet split for danish pied) 50% chance danish pied 50% chance normal green split for danish pied 50% chance of these carrying dark factor 50% chance of these carrying violet The other option is danish pied cock split for blue x normal violet hen split for danish pied.......... but you get the idea.
July 16, 200915 yr I'll give it a go. Assuming infor based only on the visual aspects of the birds. Yellow Danish Pied Cock (not split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet not split for danish pied) 50% chance normal light green split for danish pied 50% chance normal dark green split for danish pied 50% chance of these carrying violet If they are split for blue and/or danish pied..... Yellow Danish Pied Cock (split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet not split for danish pied) 25% chance normal light green 25% chance normal dark green 25% chance skyblue 25% chance cobalt 50% chance of these carrying violet Yellow Danish Pied Cock (not split for blue) x Normal Violet Hen (cobalt violet split for danish pied) 50% chance danish pied 50% chance normal green split for danish pied 50% chance of these carrying dark factor 50% chance of these carrying violet The other option is danish pied cock split for blue x normal violet hen split for danish pied.......... but you get the idea. Oh my! That's impressive ..... what happened to the tried and tested formula of "Oh what a surprise!"
July 17, 200915 yr hehehehehe You can tell I got a little bit tired at the end too right?! I might ignore these posts in the future coz I start and then go "Oh it might be split for ....... and it also might be split for ........" I should just learn to stop after the visual combo. Sigh......
July 17, 200915 yr the cere looks blue on the pied, is that the case? if so you have a hen or not a recessive pied (which the bird appears to be)
July 17, 200915 yr the cere looks blue on the pied, is that the case? if so you have a hen or not a recessive pied (which the bird appears to be) I agree...
July 17, 200915 yr Author WOW!! Thanks for the info Nubbly! But errr.. What does "split" mean? And Nerwen, Yes he does have a blue cere, does that mean I have a recessive Pied.. How do you tell the difference between a Danish and a recessive peid? If it is a Danish Pied then why is he/she mounting the Violet? Oh dear.. I'm confused!! lol.
July 17, 200915 yr A danish pied and a recessive pied are just different names for the same variety. If it is a male recessive or danish pied it's cere would be a pink colour. In the picture the cere looks blue so it's possible you have a girl or it could be a dominant pied, does the bird have iris rings?
July 17, 200915 yr WOW!! Thanks for the info Nubbly! But errr.. What does "split" mean? And Nerwen, Yes he does have a blue cere, does that mean I have a recessive Pied.. How do you tell the difference between a Danish and a recessive peid? If it is a Danish Pied then why is he/she mounting the Violet? Oh dear.. I'm confused!! lol. Sorry Vixen Got into budgie lingo there!!!! Split means they are visually one varitey but hiding another variety in recessive form. With recessive genes it takes 2 replicates of the gene to show the visual for of the variety. So for recessive pied to be a visual recessive pied (for you to be able to see that it is a recessive pied) it needs 2x recessive pied genes. For a dominant variety it only requires 1 of that gene to show the visual for of the variety. SO if a bird is one variety - a normal violet for example - that bird might also be carrying one gene for recessive pied without us being able to see it. So we would call that bird a Normal Violet split for recessive pied. You generally only know what a bird is split for if there have been accurate breeding records kept for that bird. Recessive pied males have a pinky/purple cere not to be confused with a normal males strong blue coloured cere.
July 17, 200915 yr I dont know about the blue cere But that side on shot shows nothing. It could easily be seen as a white cere going on a part cere photo..................white cere means female. Before we go telling you what babies they will have maybe we need to establish what sex the pied is ? Better photo please ? Edited July 17, 200915 yr by KAZ
July 17, 200915 yr Author Ah yep, I understand now, thanks Nubbly Harry is very hard to get a decent picture of, I was home alone Yesterday so I couldn't get anyone to hold him for me. Anyways, I got a couple more which are probably better. And yes, he has always had iris rings since he was fresh out the nest. And: Edited July 17, 200915 yr by Vixen
July 17, 200915 yr Author lol obviously I have got something wrong. I thought he was a Danish Pied.... Now I'm totally and utterly confused lol. okay, so, he has had Iris Rings since I got him which was when he was able to come out the nest on his own.
July 17, 200915 yr I think your bird is just confusing in general. He looks like a male recessive pied (the same as a danish one) but he has iris rings which recessive pieds don't, their eyes stay one solid colour. Iris rings develop on other budgie mutations when they're around 6 months old, see in the photo in Kaz's post the budgies don't have iris rings because they're still young. I hope that doesn't confuse you more.
July 17, 200915 yr Iris rings with Recessive markings? Methinks you may have a Double Factor Dominant Pied .... EXCEPT that the cere looks like a Recessive's.
July 17, 200915 yr I agree it is very confusing...the signs of recessive pied too are the orange beak too, unless it is a fluke in the mutation. I do remember though Kaz had a bird that looked like a dominant pied but it was a recessive and it was a fact because she knew the heritage.
July 17, 200915 yr I agree it is very confusing...the signs of recessive pied too are the orange beak too, unless it is a fluke in the mutation. I do remember though Kaz had a bird that looked like a dominant pied but it was a recessive and it was a fact because she knew the heritage. That was the baby Cheeta got from me and she kept thinking it was dominant pied and even published it on a forum as dom pied when it came from two recessive pied parents and had no iris rings
July 17, 200915 yr Yeppers, I remember, I couldn't wrap my head around it either, I pm'd Neville, hopefully he will come and lets see what he says. I would say it would have to be a Dominant Pied or a Recessive that is showing it's rings, the only true way to know is if you breed the bird out.
July 18, 200915 yr Author Okay, I have a picture of Harry's iris rings.. geez he's hard to get a good picture hehe. In the end. I had to let him bite my thumb so my Husband could get a picture of him hehe. Lucky he doesn't bite hard. I used the flash too, so his Iris would have dialated a little aswell. What I've noticed lately aswell, is that, Sparkle (the Violet) will let Harry on top of her and other times, she gets rather nippy toward him. If he comes close to her, she will go to bite him, is this her playing hard to get or her just being nasty?
July 18, 200915 yr The hen is out of condition based on these photos she is at the stage in this photo where the brown is flaking off her cere......please correct me if I am wrong and post another picture.
July 18, 200915 yr It is not unusual for a male double factor dominant pied to have a pink cere like a recessive pied. I have never heard of a recessive pied with definate iris rings like this bird. As he is marked so much like a recessive pied I think the only way to be sure is to breed him and see what he produces
July 23, 200915 yr Author Sorry I haven't got back to you yet. Yes the brown bits on the Hens cere are flaking a little. How do you get her into condition? I have added a few drops of avian vitamins into their water.. Is there anything else I can do for them other than their fruit and vegies? I will try and get a picture asap. I am in Perth at the moment and the Birds are in Wagin (3 hours away)
July 28, 200915 yr Sorry I haven't got back to you yet. Yes the brown bits on the Hens cere are flaking a little. How do you get her into condition? I have added a few drops of avian vitamins into their water.. Is there anything else I can do for them other than their fruit and vegies? I will try and get a picture asap. I am in Perth at the moment and the Birds are in Wagin (3 hours away) you dont get a bird into breeding condition the come into breeding condition you can put hens up and they will lay breeding condition or not but its more likely you will also have issues like plucking of chicks hatchlings hatching and dieing as not being fed clear and infertile eggs not just the cock causes this as most people belive a hen not being in condition is a big cause their breeding cycle is 7 weeks apart but the birds are best when just finished their major molt and looking the best the eyes are a good indicater as they will pin pupil shrinking and dilating when activly chatting up each other also hens will tend to chew things and bend down to cocks just before the breeding cycle begins a few months you will know she will be very active and looking all good shinny and stuff and he is a df dom pie the whole thing with df doms is that every one mistakes them for rececives exept for the iris rings you can not tell how ever he may be from a rececive and dom breeding if he is rececive all chicks will be / rec pie if a df dom all chicks will be dominant pied if a single factor with mixed markings due to being breed from rec and dom then chicks will be half dom and half normal thats just a quick run down not an exact one k darl
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