hi i thought lutino or yellow birds all have red eyes well the ones i have are all hens and they all do EXCEPT this one it has BLACK eyes i think its a male the only one ive got going on its beak do you think so

its 10 months old do boys change eye colour later

 

 

Hmm......could be a DF spangle, you will have to ask kaz on this one, im not very good at mutation's and such. sorry

Hmm......could be a DF spangle, you will have to ask kaz on this one, im not very good at mutation's and such. sorry

Kaz doesnt know everything :what:

 

But looks DF spangle to me too

:what: i beat kaz at identifying a mutation!!!

What were the parents?

I agree with Kaz

:what: guys does that mean its not lutino though i was going to mate it with this hen i got today just had to go and buy it because its got another of the rings on it im having trouble finding out where they are from on its leg

did ask shop but they dindnt know wasnt expecting them to but sorta hoping

they had sold the rest of them there were 5 all up this hen isnt lace wing its what i thought were lutinos both this bird and the male are all yellow colour no infusion of anything else she has red eyes though

 

 

 

She is a lutino if she is red-eyed... are you quarantining the hen?

If you are talking of the cock with the blue cere that is yellow yes that is NOT a lutino.

Good point mattdog, did you quarnatine?

What were the parents? I agree with Kaz

hi ellythis going to sound silly but i dont know for sure i know my birds when i look at them well sometimes a few supprise me in some way ive got to have a cull of the young again shortly none of my older birds have rings exept the ones i have brought from proper breeders up untill i got 08 rings through my club and used them i just spent time picking what i think looks nice and put them in 10 months ago i was putting a lot of greywing and spangles crests and dom pieds only one yellow hen with a cinnamon male went down for me and i had a few opaline green hens with spangle greens blues ect down ill have a look and see what else ive missed in the resting area they go there after a round it will be so much better with the ring system hope that makes sence

She is a lutino if she is red-eyed... are you quarantining the hen?

yes mattdog im worried now because i brought it and went home put it in with my youngster to take photos took a while i can tell you forgeting that i needed to quarintine her straight away like the lacewing hope it wont affect my male by not doing it straight away ive also put him seperate again to away from my others im gonna run out of areas if i do something stupid like that again as i still have my blair birds and lacewing in quarintine to at the moment oh and she does have red eyes all my yellow hens do just not him do you breed him with her later on then or not

Hmm......could be a DF spangle, you will have to ask kaz on this one, im not very good at mutation's and such. sorry

Kaz doesnt know everything :what: But looks DF spangle to me too

are these good birds to have and are they good to put with that hen please

Edited July 14, 200915 yr by ghazzigh

 

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Edited July 14, 200915 yr by KAZ

Your male, from what i can see is Double factor spangle... and as you say your hen's are all red eyed, then they are indeed lutino... DF spangle to Lutino pairing is a reasonable pairing... If the DF spangle's parents, grandparents etc carried lutino and it was passed onto the DF spangle via Non visual gene, then i think their's a chance they will throw lutino's... otherwise (correct me if wrong) they will be mostly spangle's. as it is the dominant gene.

 

I have a similar pairing... The father is a Yellow double factor spangle... just like yours except he is in the green series and is a larger showtype budgie, he mated with a Type 2 yellow-face cobalt violet....which is also opaline, and ended up producing all spangles... 2 of which were yellowface and opaline spangle's like the mother...

Your male, from what i can see is Double factor spangle... and as you say your hen's are all red eyed, then they are indeed lutino... DF spangle to Lutino pairing is a reasonable pairing... If the DF spangle's parents, grandparents etc carried lutino and it was passed onto the DF spangle via Non visual gene, then i think their's a chance they will throw lutino's... otherwise (correct me if wrong) they will be mostly spangle's. as it is the dominant gene.

 

I have a similar pairing... The father is a Yellow double factor spangle... just like yours except he is in the green series and is a larger showtype budgie, he mated with a Type 2 yellow-face cobalt violet....which is also opaline, and ended up producing all spangles... 2 of which were yellowface and opaline spangle's like the mother...

 

 

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?

 

if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?

 

if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

 

matt dog the scally patten on wing is just the feather layering

she is a beautiful lutino

u would get all split lutino cocks

also the yellow df spangle is a green based bird mattdog as it is yellow

unless it is a goldenface but i dont think so

so you would only get green birds unless they both split too blue

 

you would get all spangle out come with normal bird to df spangle

(normal as in what she is masking )

and i think u get 50 percent df spangles and 50 persent spangles if the lutino is masking spangle

oh by way he only looks young

i would put her with your biggest best cock and get some split lutino boys for your other lute hens she is beautiful get the right cock bird the chicks will be beautiful

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

thank you she does have red eyes i have bred all my yellow tpes exept for the two on these topics the hens not the male i bred him but all my other hens are going they are smaller than what i would like

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

matt dog the scally patten on wing is just the feather layering she is a beautiful lutino u would get all split lutino cocks also the yellow df spangle is a green based bird mattdog as it is yellow unless it is a goldenface but i dont think so so you would only get green birds unless they both split too blue you would get all spangle out come with normal bird to df spangle (normal as in what she is masking )and i think u get 50 percent df spangles and 50 persent spangles if the lutino is masking spangle oh by way he only looks young i would put her with your biggest best cock and get some split lutino boys for your other lute hens she is beautiful get the right cock bird the chicks will be beautiful

thank you gb he is 10 months old i bred him well the birds i picked did he is the only male of that colour i have so was going to sit and wait till he older i brought the hen has the same unknow ring see other posts of mine that my lacewing i brought has that and it is so much bigger than my other yellow sparrows by the way have you seen the last picture of the lacewing and whatever the other hen turns out to be i just put it on again keeps getting lost if you hurry you might be able to help me before it goes of course the one i didnt want on really stays up ha

Edited July 14, 200915 yr by ghazzigh

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

thank you she does have red eyes i have bred all my yellow tpes exept for the two on these topics the hens not the male i bred him but all my other hens are going they are smaller than what i would like

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

matt dog the scally patten on wing is just the feather layering she is a beautiful lutino u would get all split lutino cocks also the yellow df spangle is a green based bird mattdog as it is yellow unless it is a goldenface but i dont think so so you would only get green birds unless they both split too blue you would get all spangle out come with normal bird to df spangle (normal as in what she is masking )and i think u get 50 percent df spangles and 50 persent spangles if the lutino is masking spangle :hug: oh by way he only looks young i would put her with your biggest best cock and get some split lutino boys for your other lute hens she is beautiful get the right cock bird the chicks will be beautiful

thank you gb he is 10 months old i bred him well the birds i picked did he is the only male of that colour i have so was going to sit and wait till he older i brought the hen has the same unknow ring see other posts of mine that my lacewing i brought has that and it is so much bigger than my other yellow sparrows by the way have you seen the last picture of the lacewing and whatever the other hen turns out to be i just put it on again keeps getting lost if you hurry you might be able to help me before it goes of course the one i didnt want on really stays up ha

 

 

she looks in very good condishion i would put he up after quarrentene you dont need it to be yellow dark green mauve or olive good for lutino breeding the chicks will come out green / lutino

but when they older and breedable if you put the boys to the lutino hens you have you will not only upsize your birds (THE CHICKS BEING BIGGER WITH LUCK ) WOOPS SORRY CAPS :sad: but you will get more pink eye birds (lutinos ) cocks and hens and normal hens in the nest and normal split lutino cocks also

its best to pair your lutinos to split lutino to keep the butter cup yellow and size breeding only your very very best lutino cock and hens together every once in awhile when they both have size and carictour (featcher)man i cant spell either thoughs words

UM BUT TO WAIT FOR HIM ISNT A BAD THING EITHER SO....EITHER WAY MAN WHATS WITH THE CAPS

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?

 

if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

 

Spangle is a dominant gene they are not split to spangle.

 

If they show the marking of a Spangle they are a Single Factor Spangle

If they don't show the marking of a Spangle they are a Double Factor Spangle

 

I just wanted clear that up so you know .

 

 

i wish i knew something about her breeding and the rings i like her feathers i think she and the lacewing were worth the 15 dollars each anyway

Edited July 14, 200915 yr by ghazzigh

Ooo he's lovely with the picture resized... is that other bird on the left red eyed?

 

if so then it must be split spangle... look at the scaley pattern's on the wing.

 

Spangle is a dominant gene they are not split to spangle.

 

If they show the marking of a Spangle they are a Single Factor Spangle

If they don't show the marking of a Spangle they are a Double Factor Spangle

 

I just wanted clear that up so you know .

 

mattdog was talking about the lutino i thought masking spangle

i dont know either way you have a lutino hen masking something you will find that out with your breeding by reading what i posted above elly

and a df spangle boy

Either way masking and split are 2 different meanings , I don't want him to get the terminology wrong and others be confused.

 

Masking means covering up say example the marking of the spangle bird.

 

Split means that a dominant gene is dominant over a recessive gene. Meaning that there are 2 alleles and one is carrying the dominant gene and the other the recessive gene.

 

Spangle is not recessive gene to any gene that I am aware of, it is even dominant over the normals.

 

I am sure that is clear as mud.

Either way masking and split are 2 different meanings , I don't want him to get the terminology wrong and others be confused.

 

Masking means covering up say example the marking of the spangle bird.

 

Split means that a dominant gene is dominant over a recessive gene. Meaning that there are 2 alleles and one is carrying the dominant gene and the other the recessive gene.

 

Spangle is not recessive gene to any gene that I am aware of, it is even dominant over the normals.

 

I am sure that is clear as mud.

yes mate not saying you are wrong

as you are completely right thats, why i kept stating masking but you explain things so much better than i do it is a lot clearer now as you sad as clear as mud just like i explain things its good someone else makes it clear

usually i dont say much as i think i will confuze people more

but been trying latly to make sence

Either way masking and split are 2 different meanings , I don't want him to get the terminology wrong and others be confused.

 

Masking means covering up say example the marking of the spangle bird.

 

Split means that a dominant gene is dominant over a recessive gene. Meaning that there are 2 alleles and one is carrying the dominant gene and the other the recessive gene.

 

Spangle is not recessive gene to any gene that I am aware of, it is even dominant over the normals.

 

I am sure that is clear as mud.

 

 

to everybody it has been so imformative ive learnt so much about this im going to be reading and rereading for a while to take it all in :sad: :hug:

 

 

i wish i knew something about her breeding and the rings i like her feathers

What were the parents? I agree with Kaz

hi ellythis going to sound silly but i dont know for sure i know my birds when i look at them but not types real well none of my birds have rings exept the ones i have brought from proper breeders up untill i got 08 rings through my club and used them i just spent time picking what i think looks nice and put them in 10 months ago i was putting a lot of greywing and spangles crests and dom pieds only one yellow hen with a cinnamon male went down for me and i had a few opaline green hens with spangle greens blues ect down ill have a look and see what else ive missed in the resting area they go there after a round it will be so much better with the ring system hope that makes sence

She is a lutino if she is red-eyed... are you quarantining the hen?

yes mattdog im worried now because i brought it and went home put it in with my youngster to take photos took a while i can tell you forgeting that i needed to quarintine her straight away like the lacewing hope it wont affect my male by not doing it straight away ive also put him seperate again to away from my others im gonna run out of areas if i do something stupid like that again as i still have my blair birds and lacewing in quarintine to at the moment oh and she does have red eyes all my yellow hens do just not him do you breed him with her later on then or not

Hmm......could be a DF spangle, you will have to ask kaz on this one, im not very good at mutation's and such. sorry

Kaz doesnt know everything But looks DF spangle to me too :rip:

are these good birds to have and are they good to put with that hen please

hi i thought lutino or yellow birds all have red eyes well the ones i have are all hens and they all do EXCEPT this one it has BLACK eyes i think its a male the only one ive got going on its beak do you think so

its 10 months old do boys change eye colour later