I just checked the babies and the markings they have are NOT CINNAMON as first thought.

Flight feathers coming through on the eldest two are pale pale greyish/neutral like the mothers flight feathers.............making them dilutes I guess. But DEFINITELY NOT cinnamon markings.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 23, 200915 yr by KAZ

so they are not cinnamon. that is what we are going with now? Dilutes? grey wings? Who knows?

 

GC - I do not think a bird can be a cinnamon wing and a grey wing at the same time. I would imagine that both those characteristics would be stored on the same alelle, so it would not be possible.

Now to think about all the grewying/diltue greywing/clearwing FBC greywing combo breeding expectations lol. Just kidding! You will easily tell with these chicks if he is greywing/greywing or greywing/dilute. Either you'll have all greywing chicks split dilute or 50% greywing/dilute 50%dilutes.

 

Looking forward to seeing them feather up!

Based on how the chicks are looking he may be greywing split dilute...........time will tell;

they look like a happy little family

KAZ they are beautiful. It will be interesting to see how they finally feather out!

so they are not cinnamon. that is what we are going with now? Dilutes? grey wings? Who knows?

 

GC - I do not think a bird can be a cinnamon wing and a grey wing at the same time. I would imagine that both those characteristics would be stored on the same alelle, so it would not be possible.

 

no dave you are wrong

you get cinn grey wings

thats why you should not pair grey wings to cinnamon

the birds can not b showed as grey wing and make bad cinnamons so....they are seperate loci, alelle is very close though you are corect

you do get them though dave

Two eldest are dilutes and two next are greywings. Fifth chick yet to identify as feathers come in.

Two eldest are dilutes and two next are greywings. Fifth chick yet to identify as feathers come in.

 

these being rezults you wanted kaz or no ?

Two eldest are dilutes and two next are greywings. Fifth chick yet to identify as feathers come in.

 

these being rezults you wanted kaz or no ?

I definitely wanted some greywings out of this pairing for sure GB

Two eldest are dilutes and two next are greywings. Fifth chick yet to identify as feathers come in.

 

these being rezults you wanted kaz or no ?

I definitely wanted some greywings out of this pairing for sure GB

 

well i think you have three con grads

The chicks

 

 

 

 

Looking great!! I am so pleased you got greywings

What is the count here? How many opaline greywings>? Normals?

What is the count here? How many opaline greywings>? Normals?

all opalines I would say

This is very confusing :rofl: :rofl: The babies I see as dilutes not greywing seem to have too much body colour to be a dilute. Does that make them a clearwing instead ?

This is very confusing :rofl: :rofl: The babies I see as dilutes not greywing seem to have too much body colour to be a dilute. Does that make them a clearwing instead ?

 

could be full body grey wings what colour are the cheek patches its the only way to tell between clear wing and full bodyed grey wings

This is very confusing :rofl: :rofl: The babies I see as dilutes not greywing seem to have too much body colour to be a dilute. Does that make them a clearwing instead ?

 

could be full body grey wings what colour are the cheek patches its the only way to tell between clear wing and full bodyed grey wings

Cannot be greywings............the flights and tail are far too light.

This is very confusing :rofl: :rofl: The babies I see as dilutes not greywing seem to have too much body colour to be a dilute. Does that make them a clearwing instead ?

 

could be full body grey wings what colour are the cheek patches its the only way to tell between clear wing and full bodyed grey wings

Cannot be greywings............the flights and tail are far too light.

 

okay then must be dilutes un less dad is /clearwing i dont think you can get clear wings from grey wing dilute pairing but kaz im not sure on that as i havent ever looked into that genetic linkage

i do know that clear wing is dominant to dilute though so ????well i thought it was

i will just shut up now ..lol

i will look it up tonight and if know one says anything by morrow i will let you know my findings

Hi Guys,

 

Check out - http://www.euronet.nl/users/hnl/dilute.htm

 

It's a bit heavy but the relevant bits are at the end. It explains the 4 phenotypes that result from the 3 mutant genotypes (greywing, clearwing and dilute) that occur at this locus.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, PT

Hi Guys,

 

Check out - http://www.euronet.nl/users/hnl/dilute.htm

 

It's a bit heavy but the relevant bits are at the end. It explains the 4 phenotypes that result from the 3 mutant genotypes (greywing, clearwing and dilute) that occur at this locus.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers, PT

 

 

Thankyou PT. I dont know if I have grasped the concept fully, but it is possible my greywing is split clearwing isnt it ?

Or it could be the 4th mutant allele that they refer to later in the article. I don't breed greywings and whenever one pops out I pass them on. From what I can see there is a phenotype that seems to sit somewhere between a dilute and a greywing. On the show bench they create lots of problems. Often they are simply regarded as bad greywings as they are obviously not dilutes.

If I am not mistaken I think that the blackeye allele appears at the same locus, but this is not mentioned in the article - maybe because the Europeans don't really have much to do with blackeyes.

All very confusing!

Cheers, PT

I once had a "greywing " that a top judge told me would be judged as a dilute at one show by one judge and as a greywing at another show by another judge.........guess that one was a bad greywing too :thankyou:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS pass me some of your reject greywings would you PT .......cant get any over here

Edited July 29, 200915 yr by KAZ

This is very confusing :thankyou: The babies I see as dilutes not greywing seem to have too much body colour to be a dilute. Does that make them a clearwing instead ?

 

could be full body grey wings what colour are the cheek patches its the only way to tell between clear wing and full bodyed grey wings

Cannot be greywings............the flights and tail are far too light.

Clearwings are dominant to Dilutes .... don't know if that helps.

 

Unfortunately when Greywing and Clearwing genes get mixed up it's very hard to tell with the added complication of Dilutes ..... it's a nightmare

The formula dil ^gw / dil ^cw demands an explanation. A bird having this genotype shows the FBC greywing phenotype because the full bodycolor of the clearwing dominates the diluted bodycolor of the intermediate greywing, on the other hand the grey wings of the latter mentioned dominates the "white" or "yellow" wingcolor of the clearwing. This is not surprizing because multiple alleles always act additionally towards one another [4,14].

 

this is what i was talking about kaz about them being full body grey wings

so ..but i still dont understand it thats what i was trying to say you got but im still probbly wrong lol

 

 

oh reene you helped me lol

i thought clear wing was dom to dilute

pt thanks for this link :thankyou:

will come in handy

this is what i was talking about kaz about them being full body grey wings

so ..but i still dont understand it thats what i was trying to say you got but im still probbly wrong lol

Two of the chicks in the nest ARE greywings. The other two have flights and tail as pale neutral colour ( nothing like the greywing chicks whose flights and tail are definitely darkish grey ) so I know they cannot be greywings but something else. BUT......I will go take some new photos

 

Gives me a break from using the angle grinder and singeing my hair :thankyou:

Edited July 29, 200915 yr by KAZ