I know Elmo is a mauve recessive pied cinnamon spangle but can someone confirm if he is YF2 or GF or possibly both? Don't know if a bird can be both, but his face is definitely a brighter yellow than the rest of him.

I would go with GF, definately too bright to be YF2 and too pale to be a green series

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Must be both he has a goldenface....and he is a yellow face type 2 so i think that he is both...lol...not sure mutations are too confusing it makes my head spin..lol. i think yf1 have creamier yellow. he is adorable!!!

golden face as the body colour is still mauve not both both the body colour would be greener but still mauve but still greener only goldenface

golden face as the body colour is still mauve not both both the body colour would be greener but still mauve but still greener only goldenface

 

 

Pretty sure this is a really good example of a double factor golden face. In the single factor the yellow suffusion is very pronounced producing that really sea green colour on blue birds. In the double factor the body suffusion is extremely reduced and produces what is generally considered to be the most attractive of all the YF forms - strong golden face colour with little body colour suffusion. In normal birds you would see less of the suffusion on the body but because this bird is pied it is more noticable on the white protions of the body.

golden face as the body colour is still mauve not both both the body colour would be greener but still mauve but still greener only goldenface

 

 

Pretty sure this is a really good example of a double factor golden face. In the single factor the yellow suffusion is very pronounced producing that really sea green colour on blue birds. In the double factor the body suffusion is extremely reduced and produces what is generally considered to be the most attractive of all the YF forms - strong golden face colour with little body colour suffusion. In normal birds you would see less of the suffusion on the body but because this bird is pied it is more noticable on the white protions of the body.

 

mabe nubbly i agree on that as its very very butter cup yet seems to have very clear makings as you say and that their i would think is the awnser

defenently not both t2 and gf as i have bird which is and the diffrents is very destinct

 

df gf mauve spangle rec pie

just need a clear wing and an opaline in the mix lol

Hey dek, just looking at that bird again...... is he actually a cinnamon? On the photo, his markings look suspiciously like they are black coloured rather than brown. Might just be the way the photo makes him look though but against the lacewing with proper cinnamon markings he looks lke he has normal markings.....

Edited July 8, 200916 yr by nubbly5

golden face as the body colour is still mauve not both both the body colour would be greener but still mauve but still greener only goldenface

 

 

Pretty sure this is a really good example of a double factor golden face. In the single factor the yellow suffusion is very pronounced producing that really sea green colour on blue birds. In the double factor the body suffusion is extremely reduced and produces what is generally considered to be the most attractive of all the YF forms - strong golden face colour with little body colour suffusion. In normal birds you would see less of the suffusion on the body but because this bird is pied it is more noticable on the white protions of the body.

 

On second glance i totally agree with you there nubbly. I remember writing up a big spiel about YF genetics and had been trying to explain or find a photo of a DF Golden face. This is a classic example - you can see the bright coloured face and the suffusion is limited to the upper chest and wings - perfect for what i want in a rainbow budgie. I hope to one day find a banded pied (pied belly band like dom pied but i dont want wings affected, i can dream!) which in the DF golden face sky blue would mean it has green chest, yellow band, blue belly/rump and the other gorgeous effects of throwing opaline + clearwing in the mix as well.

Hi Nubbly, not sure about his markings. When I first put him on here for confirmation I was told probably cinnamon. But if you think his markings are black they probably are. I was just going with what I'd been told. They are probably more dark grey though if I look properly. He's definitely different when compared to the lacewings colouring.

On another note he's paired with the lacewing, what will I get...no lacewings unfortunately but will I only get spangles and normals and what shade of blue will they be?

Thanks

golden face as the body colour is still mauve not both both the body colour would be greener but still mauve but still greener only goldenface

 

 

Pretty sure this is a really good example of a double factor golden face. In the single factor the yellow suffusion is very pronounced producing that really sea green colour on blue birds. In the double factor the body suffusion is extremely reduced and produces what is generally considered to be the most attractive of all the YF forms - strong golden face colour with little body colour suffusion. In normal birds you would see less of the suffusion on the body but because this bird is pied it is more noticable on the white protions of the body.

 

On second glance i totally agree with you there nubbly. I remember writing up a big spiel about YF genetics and had been trying to explain or find a photo of a DF Golden face. This is a classic example - you can see the bright coloured face and the suffusion is limited to the upper chest and wings - perfect for what i want in a rainbow budgie. I hope to one day find a banded pied (pied belly band like dom pied but i dont want wings affected, i can dream!) which in the DF golden face sky blue would mean it has green chest, yellow band, blue belly/rump and the other gorgeous effects of throwing opaline + clearwing in the mix as well.

 

if your not after show type and your willing to pay costs

i will send you some just like that for nothing mate i breed all time

i can give you any mutation you want in the mix

why

cause its nice to see peoples dreams come true just im not sure can you send birds to nz?

it can even be split clear wing just not clearwing as i only got one cock need to get more lol but no rush so...

Being df gf will all his offspring be gf as well?

And on another note is is possible to get a gf/yf white lacewing?

I know I can't get it with this pair I'm just asking for the sake of asking!

Thanks

This would be a great breeding test Pair him to a white face, and if you get all GF chicks then you surely have a Double Factor golden face. And yes you can absolutely breed GF or YF lacewings. If this cock is a double factor golden face, pair him to a blue series lacewing hen. All the cocks from that pair will be single factor goldenface blue series split for lacewing. If you pair those chicks back to a lacewing hen you will get some GF lacewings of both sexes, if you pair him to any regular hen, you will get some GF lacewing hens

What Dean says. If he is in fact DF golden face all babies (if you breed him to a normal blue or white lacewing etc) will be SF golden face and will present with golden face but strong body colour suffusion.

 

I'm not sure if you can get different types of yellowface within the same bird............ so I can't sensibly answer if you would get a gf split yf or if you did, what that might look like - could be a great experimental mating if you were willing to try but you would need a known df yf (this presents as a white faced bird) mated to a df gf. If I wasn't so focused on exhibition budgies, this would be a mating I would try.

 

Mind you, I might know someone who would know and I'll ask them about this.

 

Edit: hang-on maybe that's not the question you asked...... did you ask about gf split yf OR........ gf or yf lacewings? If gf or yf lacewings then also what dean says and I have a couple of beautiful examples of YF white lacewing hens in my aviary.

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by nubbly5

Thanks for the answers. I look forward to trying the suggested breedings...how exciting!

Hey Nubbly any chance you could post a picture of one of your yf lacewings, they sound so pretty.