okay so im not quiet ready for putting my pairs down

still getting boxes made up and deciding what birds will actually start me on my way to a good little line of my own

so with that in mind i decided to start with my albinos and lacewings

i have decided on a plan of action

 

FIRSTLY

 

purchase some nice stock best i can for my small amount of none income

 

then to get them all into a healthy diet and condition while they quarantining

 

third to look closely at each bird an decide their faults and their good points

deciding that im going to concentrate in keeping good body proportion ,size and feather direction, length of mask

sholder wighth and how they hold their wings ,tail

over everythig else at moment as i still dont really understand what a good back skull and good feather texture ect ect is as yet

 

so with that im kind of just going in blind however i do think i will beable to achive some nice albinos with these few pairs to start me on my way

 

what is your opinions please what faults and good points can you see

as i honestly wouldnt really know what they are im just playing it by what i beleive to be well held bird of good balanced proportion and look (nice on the eye )

how ever i know this is not going to get me far in the show side off things

so please feel free to be harsh judgmental and to corect others if you truley belive they are missing the whole picture

just remember though everyones view on what a good bird is is diffrent , so only if im getting lead up the garden path do i want you to nicely mabe point out why you belive difrently to others ideas :question:

 

okay first my albino cock and hen

i have two albino cock birds

but i decided only one worth show standeds to create my own line so with that i chose my bigest hen albino

she has pants as does he all the way do knees i think their both doubble buffed but i wouldnt know what the diffrence is even though i have read heaps about the diffrents im more of a hands on learn through viewing kind of person so...

but i belive they both may have long flights agqain im not sure on that just their wings are so long

 

your opinion please

hen on the left

 

 

 

it is hard to get picture of them sittig on perch sorry will try if its really needed i really do want to get good rezults with my birds best pos i can but here is one not to good though

 

the cock i think he is still only young around 9 to 10 months am going to find out of breeder(he action bird )

 

 

 

 

 

his back bad shot but ...

 

this the hen again on side cage

(the cock in this picture is diffrent albino cock not one in question )

 

hen at back left (again the cock in this picture is not cock in question )

 

well look farward to many replys on this idea of a pair and will put up my next pair idea for

grey/albino cock and grey opaline hen latter

The hen is really nice....

 

this cock

 

are you saying he is split albino ? Cos he has a blue cere and cannot be albino. I must have missed something...sorry

The hen is really nice....

 

this cock

 

are you saying he is split albino ? Cos he has a blue cere and cannot be albino. I must have missed something...sorry

this his true closest colour i can get in this picture

 

 

 

hen on the left

 

no kaz he is a albino cock he is my new albino from action he is my rowe brothers bird

these pics are all the same cock bird just diffrent pics

exept the two last ones with the hen (thats a diffrent albino cock )

i just went out to look at cere apone viewing your reply and it is white with hint of bluey green around nostrals

you had me worryed their that he may be sick but no its all good

 

he is 100 percent albino kaz pics just not showing colour well sum thing up wit the cam of late

what do you think of him for her or in general

Edited July 4, 200916 yr by GenericBlue

I'm only starting out with show birds so my opinion probably isn't worth all that much but he looks like a nice bird to me.

If you could get photos of him in a show cage it'd probably make it easier for people to judge him.

 

In my beginers opinion:

 

He looks like a nice long bird from the pics,

He seems to have a good depth of mask,

He also seems to perch well, good follow through after the perch,

Directional feather and blow look okay from the pics too.

 

I'm only comparing him to other 'inos I've seen in person but I'd be glad to have him in my aviary and I'd rate him better than my Lute cock. You could always find a nice normal grey hen to pair him with as well, might be a good option to add in any desirable features he might lack that may be hard to find in a Albino hen. Having said that your hen is very nice.

I still dont get it........albino cocks dont have blue ceres

I'm only starting out with show birds so my opinion probably isn't worth all that much but he looks like a nice bird to me. If you could get photos of him in a show cage it'd probably make it easier for people to judge him.In my beginers opinion:He looks like a nice long bird from the pics, He seems to have a good depth of mask, He also seems to perch well, good follow through after the perch,Directional feather and blow look okay from the pics too.I'm only comparing him to other 'inos I've seen in person but I'd be glad to have him in my aviary and I'd rate him better than my Lute cock. You could always find a nice normal grey hen to pair him with as well, might be a good option to add in any desirable features he might lack that may be hard to find in a Albino hen. Having said that your hen is very nice.

okay well as i wont b showing for a long while yet i dont have a show cage yet it was on my to buy list for now im just trying to get a nice line with a bit of substance i wont show till about 3 generation as i need to learn so much so will get opinion of my chicks through club judgings at firsti havnt have many hens and my only grey hen does not come up to his standed so im going to be putting my split albino cock with my only grey hen of any substance to produes more grey birds hopefully i will get some nice hens and then pair all the chicks to the albino pairs chicks provided im happy with their qualitys here is a picture of the grey hen and grey cock but i will be getting better photos to be given proper opinion latter its just rainning heavy so ....have to wait this the grey split albino cock i want to put him with a norm as i will get albino hens regardless and norm hens what i need most or i could put his cock with the albino henhe has everything and the albino cock with my grey hen but i dont think she is very nice for him was going to get chicks from her and if they better use them after all im not in a rush just want quality over quantaty

I still dont get it........albino cocks dont have blue ceres

its not blue kaz its purplely like the picture in you avatr not as purple though

I'm in the same boat as you at the moment.

 

I just got back into breeding budgies and have never bred for show before.

I have brought some stock from my local branch and am looking to buy a few nice birds at an auction then I'll breed them for a few years and hopefully I produce something show worthy after a few generations. I might enter a bird in a show earlier if I fluke something special before then.

Nice Birds!! :-)

okay her is my only other grey hen this is the only hen i have which i think is worthy of my albino cock

she is on the right

 

 

 

i could put her with either the albino cock

 

but i decided to go with putting her with my grey /albino cock

this bird bellow

as i figure i need more normals and greys for my line to work and i will get albino hens

 

whats others opinions please

I never really got into showing but I can tell you

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/ge...ue/aa153c02.jpg

 

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww32/ge...ue/6f6ce445.jpg

 

Those 2 birds really stand out to me.

 

I also like the grey/albino cock.

Cocks from the Grey/albino and Grey opaline would be split for opaline and possibly split for Albino.

 

Is the Grey opaline hen also cinnamon?

Cocks from the Grey/albino and Grey opaline would be split for opaline and possibly split for Albino.

 

Is the Grey opaline hen also cinnamon?

 

no she is not i figherd just stay with the black for now

Good that's she's not cinnamon since you'll be using her/her young in Albino pairings otherwise you couldve ended up with some Lacewings.

Good that's she's not cinnamon since you'll be using her/her young in Albino pairings otherwise you couldve ended up with some Lacewings.

 

well i am going to breed lacewings very soon i have two sisters and their /lacewing brother

but im not going to do it through my albinos

i was thinking i could go that way but i really gave it another thought and decided to seperate my albino and lacewing lines completely

 

im going to breed my cinn/lacewing cock to a cinnamon hen so i can get bit of everything

i havent got a nice enough cin hen thats all so wont be doing my lacewings till i can get nice cinn hen to complament my bot

also need nice norm grey not split anything to get / lacewing cocks out of my lacewing hen and a nice cinnamon/lacewing cock to put with my other lacewing hen

just cant find any nice birds that are for sale so will need to wait till i find the three birds im looking for before i start with them

i brought the cinn/lacewing for my lacewing hen then found out they are full brother sister so...that wrecked that plan

 

thank you for your veiws and that linda what would you do with birds i have posted pics of

albino to albino

grey /albino to opaline grey hen

albino to opaline grey hen

or the spangle hen with the / albino cock

or albino cock

what would you do to get the best mix of norm hens albinos and /ts some albino cocks also from these birds ???

and albino to norm to produe split cocks and norm hens

any ones view apreshiated and concidered im open to sugestions

Okay so you have:

 

This hen and cock (cock on right in 1st picture and same 1 in 2nd picture)

 

These cocks, the grey being split for Albino.

 

And these grey hens.

 

 

If your going to do 2 rounds with them I'd do:

 

Spangle Cock to Opaline hen.

This will get you some more grey normals you can use later.

(When I say normals I mean non-Albino carrying birds)

 

Grey/Albino Cock to Albino hen.

This could get you some Cocks: Albino and Split Albino and Hens: Albino and normal.

I'd do this so that I'd know for certain that any cock birds showing normal were split for Albino. A split Albino cock to a normal hen could produce normal and normal/Albino cocks, I'd like to know what I was working with.

 

Albino Cock to Grey Spangle Hen.

This will get you Split Albino cocks and Albino hens.

Albino Cock to Albino Hen.

Albinos.

 

Albino Cock to Grey Opaline Hen.

Split Albino cocks, Albino hens. (Cocks would also be split opaline)

 

that's probably what I'd do but I'm going off colour combinations and pictures. You can see them all in real life and compare and assess them all a lot easier but since you were asking for opinions

 

Hopefully one of the experienced show breeders will be able to give you a better critique of your pairs.

Edited July 5, 200916 yr by Linda_S

Okay so you have:

 

This hen and cock (cock on right in 1st picture and same 1 in 2nd picture)

 

These cocks, the grey being split for Albino.

 

And these grey hens.

 

 

If your going to do 2 rounds with them I'd do:

 

Spangle Cock to Opaline hen.

This will get you some more grey normals you can use later.

(When I say normals I mean non-Albino carrying birds)

 

yes i know what i will get with all my options (this spangle is opaline)so i would only get opalines with this pairing

 

this below i was thinking would be a good option

Grey/Albino Cock to Albino hen.

This could get you some Cocks: Albino and Split Albino and Hens: Albino and normal.

I'd do this so that I'd know for certain that any cock birds showing normal were split for Albino. A split Albino cock to a normal hen could produce normal and normal/Albino cocks, I'd like to know what I was working with.

 

this one albino to spangle im not sure she good enough for him remembering these my show line birds not just to gain stock only but to build good quality fetchers into it .

Albino Cock to Grey Spangle Hen.

This will get you Split Albino cocks and Albino hens.

i want to do this but not sure if the are good to start a line with or if i be beter doing other options first then albinos

 

Albino Cock to Albino Hen.

Albinos.

 

this i was thinking would be good option also for as you say splits depending on what albino masks i could get any mutations eg spangles or all opaline ...so on .

Albino Cock to Grey Opaline Hen.

Split Albino cocks, Albino hens. (Cocks would also be split opaline)

 

that's probably what I'd do but I'm going off colour combinations and pictures. You can see them all in real life and compare and assess them all a lot easier but since you were asking for opinions

 

Hopefully one of the experienced show breeders will be able to give you a better critique of your pairs.

yes so do i as i want to better their quality and i dont know what i need to do to do this with what i have here

thanks linda your suggestions make good cence

If your starting an Albino line and your grey spangle cock is a good bird as you say then he would strengthen your Albino line.

You could use the Split Albino cocks you get from him as part of your foundations.

 

Also you could still use him with another hen for a non-albino line.

If your starting an Albino line and your grey spangle cock is a good bird as you say then he would strengthen your Albino line.

You could use the Split Albino cocks you get from him as part of your foundations.

 

Also you could still use him with another hen for a non-albino line.

 

yes this is a good idea as i wasnt sure which cock i should use as a foundation but i know his background and have seen his brothers half brothe mum dad ect ect for about 4 generations worth of his line from the breeder i got him from

they were all really nice he was not a cull bird he was picked for me with the opaline hen as a pair to start me off

but they hate eachother so the breeder said i could seperate them if i liked

i still dont know if i should but i dont have much choise as i have not many other good birds to go with what i got

im happy to start with just a few good pair and wait to beable to buy more nice birds latter on when and if some come avalibal to me so decided i could make good little line for albinos with these birds

 

i think i will go with

 

albino hen to spangle opaline cock

opaline hen to albino cock

and split albino to spangle hen

and my other albino cock to my lacewing hen to get some albino hens and albino cocks /lacewing

to breed to cinnamons latter to achive nice cinnamons cocks some lacewings and albino hens

i will keep these seperate to my albino line though and use them only in my cinnamon line i think

A word of advice.

 

If you are trying to breed a line of albino's you might want to breed a few albino's to start and then upgrade you birds by breeding strong splits.

 

If I were in the same boat I would put my best albino to best albino (like you suggested with the first hen and your Allan Rowe cock - nice score By The Way and Allan Rowe has used some VERY POWERFUL birds in his stud in the past, so he should breed on good quality) for 1 round then split those birds and put your cock to your very best normal hen and breed some nice splits and albie hens, put your albie hen to either your best split cock to breed some more albies and splits OR preferably put her to the best grey cock you can lay your mits on and breed some top quality splits.

 

It does become somewhat of a numbers game and to keep a good line going you actually need more birds than you think as there will always be some that don't breed well for you. So aim for numbers first, then upgrade the features.

A word of advice.

 

If you are trying to breed a line of albino's you might want to breed a few albino's to start and then upgrade you birds by breeding strong splits.

 

If I were in the same boat I would put my best albino to best albino (like you suggested with the first hen and your Allan Rowe cock - nice score By The Way and Allan Rowe has used some VERY POWERFUL birds in his stud in the past, so he should breed on good quality) for 1 round then split those birds and put your cock to your very best normal hen and breed some nice splits and albie hens, put your albie hen to either your best split cock to breed some more albies and splits OR preferably put her to the best grey cock you can lay your mits on and breed some top quality splits.

 

It does become somewhat of a numbers game and to keep a good line going you actually need more birds than you think as there will always be some that don't breed well for you. So aim for numbers first, then upgrade the features.

 

i was going to go numbers first but then thought if i just go quality i can be very picky of what i breed and keep my numbers down althoiugh i do relize you need a very good number of birds to keep a good line going

 

by way.... my rowe albino cock and rowe grey / albino cock are not allen rowe birds

they are bread by a gentleman named

mr john rowe

from rowe brothers here in vic down my way

his brothers are greg and dave they have between them in my opinion some of the most outstanding birds

they won the first place with his albino cock bird at this years nationals

(although that has no berring on my love of their birds ,i fell in love with their birds from day dot of seeing some of them at a local show not knowing whos birds were whos it ended up 90 percent birds i drooled on were theirs )

they breed many difrent typings and mutations between them i see them as having seccesfully achived their own quality of featchers in their birds

i can only hope some of my breedings in the long turm future may turn out as beautiful as some of their birds

and when ever it is posabal and they have birds avalibal if i see one that suits my overal want then i would be happy to grab hold of more infuture weather it be from action or shop or even mabe if i ever get around to it from one of the brothers themselfs i have a handful of most loved breeders and intend to stick to purchesing of their birds when desiered look is wanted

 

i will take your advice and pair this pair as i do feel it is a solid pairing based on both birds and their quality i feel i will achive some very lovley strong albino cocks and hens

 

and i will use my other albino cock and hen of in my opinion lesser standed and quality to do as linda sugested

this way i will have many choises to choose from for my chicks to be paired to in future for not only my albinos but other birds also thanks guys you have both helped my heaps