:hmm: well what can i say she was fine yesterday

fine all day today then now half hour she started fluffing then i saw her walking around nibbling ground (not food) she gagged 3 times so i picked her up to check her over and she was rib bone skinny

not good at all

so i brought her in straight away

then she pooed

black watery poo but the white bit still white and not watery

she is eatting moving looks all good but bit fluffed but the poo says and the skinnyness says sick sick sick bad sick

what could it be i need to find out and quick incase she is very ill and it could affect whole flock

as i can treat straight away if need be but prepher not

i gave vinniger cider

3 days in row

and i added some lemmon squeezed yesterday into their warter did i do this or is it really bad

two birds were gagging last week i removed straight away and treated with sulfa s they now all good and didnt gagg more than the once that i saw i kept them in my view

but it started with a little canary size bird i was told not to worry it was probbly a chill

she didnt have same poo nor did others

they all better but still not back in flock

any ideas would be so apreshiated as i dont want to have my birds get something

if she dies im getting her aurtopsy will cost me 190 but worth it for others health

vets are closed but he told me last week just take the sick ones out and treat then keep away for two weeks

but i dont see how that can work

should i treat them all or not if so

what with and when do i give the probotics i still dont get this process birds only been unwell with yeast infection in crop once that was in jan 09 i treated them all and as i was moving the were out of aviry for some time in holding cages where they were monitored all through out the day on and off i kleaned aviry before putting it up

could they have it back or they all due ivomectom (this week ) could this be caused from worms

thanks

the bird in question has treatment straight up

but do i treat the flock or wait

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by GenericBlue

It's really hard to tell when you're not there. :hmm:

 

The gagging would suggest Canker .... but I wouldn't want to bet on it. Have you tried talking to the vet about it? Maybe book in a consult asap?

 

What's the weather been like lately?

 

It's been wet and windy over here so last week I gave my lot 5 days of Triple C, they had been looking a bit mopey but now they're their usual chirpy selves.

Have you had any water get into the aviary ...any dampness ? re the poop issue, if the aviary gets damp you can get coccidiosis. The gagging sounds like what Renee advised but can be two or three things.

Have you had any water get into the aviary ...any dampness ? re the poop issue, if the aviary gets damp you can get coccidiosis. The gagging sounds like what Renee advised but can be two or three things.

 

Exactly! Hard and fast diagnosis without a visual is too tricky 'cause it could be several things...

 

But any way good luck sorting it out. :hmm:

the only thing a photo will show is a healthy looking very pretty cinn spangle violet golden face rec pie

she looks all good water in aviry no i have covered roof

and vanishan blinds which i shut nightly

and re open in morn

as for vet i been talking all week with one i just want to know treat them all or not

just seems last time i treated them they all got sick and they were fine before hand

the poo is wereird like internal bleeding could she of hurt her self how to i look for internal damage

the only thing a photo will show is a healthy looking very pretty cinn spangle violet golden face rec pie

she looks all good water in aviry no i have covered roof

and vanishan blinds which i shut nightly

and re open in morn

as for vet i been talking all week with one i just want to know treat them all or not

just seems last time i treated them they all got sick and they were fine before hand

the poo is wereird like internal bleeding could she of hurt her self how to i look for internal damage

 

No, no, no I didn't mean post a photo I just meant that if you're not there you can't really tell.

the only thing a photo will show is a healthy looking very pretty cinn spangle violet golden face rec pie

she looks all good water in aviry no i have covered roof

and vanishan blinds which i shut nightly

and re open in morn

as for vet i been talking all week with one i just want to know treat them all or not

just seems last time i treated them they all got sick and they were fine before hand

the poo is wereird like internal bleeding could she of hurt her self how to i look for internal damage

 

No, no, no I didn't mean post a photo I just meant that if you're not there you can't really tell.

 

okay sorry i got it wrong

she sitting on perch sleeping both feet on

she standing tall

im wondering if she may have nibbled on glass their was i bit in the dirt i found it before

YOU see i had to fill aviry floor as was not workable so dad and i throw a bit from garden on top for now then then saw dust

must have been in the ground

could that happend you think they do chew everything

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by Elly
please do not use shortcuts

the poo is wereird like internal bleeding could she of hurt her self how to i look for internal damage

 

Thats why I brought up coccidiosis as that is what happens with it, but you say the aviary is dry so it cant be that.

If the whole flock went down sick...then and only then would I treat the flock. But you dont have the whole flock sick.....so treat as you find. Only treat the sick one or ones.

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by KAZ

the poo is wereird like internal bleeding could she of hurt her self how to i look for internal damage

 

Thats why I brought up coccidiosis as that is what happens with it, but you say the aviary is dry so it cant be that.

If the whole flock went down sick...then and only then would I treat the flock. But you dont have the whole flock sick.....so treat as you find. Only treat the sick one or ones.

 

yes dry

i am just treating bird for bird

and two were just in case

only two defanent sickys

both tiny canery budgies

first one died like with in two hours of finding her not well

this one seems heaps more active just the poo

the other one wouldnt even move

the two i treated and one of the birds partner in case

they healthy again so but keeping out for a full quarinteen

thanks kaz as i was going to just treat all even though did not feel it was right action

i will just do the waiting game will keep you posted

Could it be Megabacteriosis? The wasting you've seen in your bird, and the watery/bloody poo might be an indication of that.

Could it be Megabacteriosis? The wasting you've seen in your bird, and the watery/bloody poo might be an indication of that.

i hope not i did think mmmmmm mabe but can never get the grip of the diffrence of mega and canker

mega is treatable so but also i think its reacurring its posable but really unless she dies and i get the autopsy it could be anything

i have info on all the disesses from this sight but i get so confuzed reading them its the dislexic thing

so

will see if it is megga what am i looking for again and how is it transmited is it air born like pssicocis

Its a disease caused by a large gram positive microorganism which acts more like a fungus than a bacteria, the best treatment for it is amphotericin B. Most birds have it, and it often flares up when birds are stressed or another infection pops up. I think it is transmitted from mouth to mouth contact between birds, and probably through water also. The best thing would be to get their poop tested for macros and bacteria.

But mega is usually a secondary infection ....

 

I'm more interested in what you said about possible glass in the aviary floor .... did I read right?

 

Yes, budgies chew on everything and if there's a chance of one or more ingesting crushed glass that would explain the gagging and also watery poos as it would mess up the gizzard and watery poos/bloody poos would ensue ....

 

Have you seen her eat well?

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by renee

But mega is usually a secondary infection ....

 

I'm more interested in what you said about possible glass in the aviary floor .... did I read right?

 

Yes, budgies chew on everything and if there's a chance of one or more ingesting crushed glass that would explain the gagging and also watery poos as it would mess up the gizzard and watery poos/bloody poos would ensue ....

 

Have you seen her eat well?

unfortinantlly you did hear right

you see i dont get much help and when i do well its usually rush

ed and i just have to exept what comes

just happened that the area we got the dirt from was not a good area i did very carefully go throgh all the dirt /clay more clay but

oviously not good enough i have only found the one bit but.... my bad managment

it is a lessen to all beginners to set your aviry up fully befoe entering your birds

im trying to get one concreate paver at a time the dirt was layed as so i could just place them in as i got them i did cover it with saw dust to suck up any posable mosture

i noted this mornig that i have some large dop jumpping on my blinds at night trying to get the birds

its not every night

but this morning i saw it had happened again i did think it was my dog although weird as she comes into aviry at times with me in the summer but my dogs were in the back room last night

we have foxes around thats why i got stanasteel wire messing for floor keep out mice and foxes exct from digging in under aviry

bird is eatting but no change in poo i am treating her with salfa s i think i will take her to vet today she is eatting but i want to know what is causing this

all birds fine no one else is unwell all happy and very active so.....will tell you out come