Posted May 31, 200915 yr Hello, Can you help with the mutation of a few of my birds please? These are some of the one's I didn't loose..... The others are still in quarantine for another week so I will do them another time..... 1. This beautiful boys name is " J.T" This ladies name is Grace. This ones name is Boo, I am really curious about this man as he has no black stripes at all on his wings, they are just a darker blue, he has a patch of white on the back of his head, he is very hard to photograph as he won't keep still!! The below photo is the same boy as above....I tried to get the patch on his head...sorry not very clear...HE IS VERY FLIGHTY. This is Lacey, front and back.... This is Cindy This old man is Budda...I think he is old...I rescued him because they were just going to let him go... The Blue one at the back is Alice and she has a white patch one the back of her head also. The one in front is " droopy loo loo" she tends to droop her head down and sleep a lot.... And this Austin...(was Angel for 2 years til I was told that she was a he!!) Thank in advance for those that can help me.... Anne.
May 31, 200915 yr 1- Normal Green 2- Normal Grey 3-Spangle split for Recessive Pied 4-Green Dilute I think? 5-YF2 Dominant Pied Cinnamon Opaline 6-Light Green Normal 7- Bird at the back is a Normal split for Rec Pied, one at the front it possibly a Yf Dark eyed clear or Df Spangle..I don't really know. 8- No idea sorry.
May 31, 200915 yr 1- Normal Green2- Normal Grey 3-Spangle split for Recessive Pied 4-Green Dilute I think? 5-YF2 Dominant Pied Cinnamon Opaline 6-Light Green Normal 7- Bird at the back is a Normal split for Rec Pied, one at the front it possibly a Yf Dark eyed clear or Df Spangle..I don't really know. 8- No idea sorry. How do you know the Spangle is Split to Rec. Pied? The spot on the back of the head is very common in the spangles so it doesn't denote that they are split like on a normal. 4. What color are the eyes are they red or black? 5. I agree expect it would be a Clearflight Dominant Pied 7. Would need a better picture of the bird with better lighting and no flash, what color are the eyes? 6. Would be a Lutino, he has a pink cere still and I assume red eyes too correct?
May 31, 200915 yr Jen, no 3 may not necessarily be split recessive as many spangles have a spot or patch on the back of their head as part of their early inheritance......and I agree with no 4 being a DILUTE Edited May 31, 200915 yr by KAZ
May 31, 200915 yr Author 1- Normal Green2- Normal Grey 3-Spangle split for Recessive Pied 4-Green Dilute I think? 5-YF2 Dominant Pied Cinnamon Opaline 6-Light Green Normal 7- Bird at the back is a Normal split for Rec Pied, one at the front it possibly a Yf Dark eyed clear or Df Spangle..I don't really know. 8- No idea sorry. How do you know the Spangle is Split to Rec. Pied? The spot on the back of the head is very common in the spangles so it doesn't denote that they are split like on a normal. 4. What color are the eyes are they red or black? 5. I agree expect it would be a Clearflight Dominant Pied 7. Would need a better picture of the bird with better lighting and no flash, what color are the eyes? 6. Would be a Lutino, he has a pink cere still and I assume red eyes too correct? Thanks to everyone for helping .... Elly, Bird no: 4's eyes are black Bird no: 7's eyes are black Bird no: 6's eyes are black Many thanks
June 1, 200915 yr J T – Dark green normal Grace – Grey normal Boo – Spangle cobalt (many splangles have a clear patch on their heads) Lacey – Cinnamon greywing light green (could be a dilute but looks more like cinnamon greywing) Cindy - Yellow face cinnamon opaline dominant pied grey Budda – normal light green Alice – Sky blue normal (split for recessive pied) Droopy loo loo – Not sure needs a better picture but could be a yellow face dilute Austin – Yellow dark eyed clear
June 1, 200915 yr Im saying Lacey is a Grey Yellow or a Dilute. Dont think shes a Cinnamon Greywing, Cinnamon Greywing spots are normally darker, and flights are too washed out. For those interested in showing, Lacey is a really good example of what is shown in the AOSV Class, variety wise!!!
June 1, 200915 yr Author Thank you all so much for your time...... I will get a clearer picture of Lacey and Droopy Loo Loo and Austin and post as soon as I can... I was told once that Austin (the last one) was a double factor?? I can't wait till I can look at a bird and tell what it is.....Budgies seem to be the most confusing bird breed when it comes to mutations..... Thanks again, that's awesome!
June 1, 200915 yr I was told once that Austin (the last one) was a double factor?? Double Factor Pieds will have a blue cere not a pink one and will develop iris rings at least in 1 eye. With the cere staying pink I would agree it is a Dark Eyed Clear if there is no iris ring. Lacey's throat spots look brownish but if they are grey then I say she is a Dominant Pied Dilute you can see the light banding around her chest, I didn't type it the first time but Neville confirmed it in his answer what I was seeing.
June 1, 200915 yr Author Found another shot of Austin - definatley no iris ring.... woo hoo he's a dark eyed clear!! thank you so much!
June 1, 200915 yr Boo is also opaline. That is why the blue colouring is on the wing pattern rather than the normal black.
June 4, 200915 yr Author Hello everyone... I tried to get more picture's this afternoon....... More picture's of Droopy LooLoo She is a very light lemon colour all over with white flights and with more bright yellow on her face....she has black eyes with no iris ring.... More picture's of Lacey...... Lacy's stripes and throat spots don't seem to be brown or grey...they are a darker olive green with white flights. Her eyes are black
June 5, 200915 yr ......... someone is going to breed Contenental clearflights.,. If you pair the darkeyed clears to the normals you will get a percentage of Clearflights. All the offspring will be split Recessives. Pair these off spring to either recessives or to the darkeyes and you'll get a percentage of darkeyes.
June 5, 200915 yr Author Thank you Daz....I'll keep that info..... okay, So I've got.... J.T - Normal Green Grace - Normal Grey Boo - Opaline cobalt Lacey - Dilute Cindy - Cinnamon Opaline dominant pied grey Budda - Normal light green Alice - Normal sky blue, split recessive pied Droopy LooLoo - dark eyed clear Austin - dark eyed clear Am I right ????
June 5, 200915 yr Author Could Droopy be a young DF spangle- iris rings not in yet? How old is she? I'm sorry, but no idea - my son bought her home from a friends place a few months ago - they didn't want her....
June 5, 200915 yr she does show signs of being young as the colour hasn't bleed a lot into the body. but her cere is a light brown she should also be showing faint signs of an iris ring if she was to get them. i would say about 6-8 months
June 6, 200915 yr Author Thank you to everyone who replied....I will watch Droopy LooLoo to see if she develops iris rings, if she does, a double factor spangle - if not a dark eyed clear..... Thanks again Anne
June 7, 200915 yr More picture's of Lacey...... Lacy's stripes and throat spots don't seem to be brown or grey...they are a darker olive green with white flights. Her eyes are black See here you said her eyes are black, but we were discussing that she does have Iris Rings correct, so when comparing her to the Black Eyed Self thread her mutation seems to be moving toward that thought process, anyone else? I am not too familar with the BES. Description of a black eyed self: A black eyed self bird should have their back, rump, breast flanks and underparts all an even shade of colour throughout. MARKINGS: Faint markings are found on their cheeks, back of head, neck and wings. EYES: Dark with a white iris ring. LIGHT YELLOW (Buttercup) : has white suffused or pale violet cheek patches and a neutral tail feather suffused with ground colour. DARK YELLOW: has white suffused or pale violet cheek patches and a neutral tail feather suffused with darker ground colour than that of the Light Yellow variety. OLIVE YELLOW: has white suffused or pale violet cheek patches, and a neutral tail feather, suffused with darker ground colour than the Dark Yellow variety. White: has white suffused or pale violet cheek patches, and a neutral tail feather with ground colour suffusion.
June 7, 200915 yr Author Thanks for posting it on my other post Elly, looking forward to what other members think.
July 25, 200915 yr Author Hello everyone, Well Droopy LooLoo has developed iris rings - very faint - so she is a Double Factor Spangle??
July 26, 200915 yr Author Correct, she is a YF DF spangleThanks Libby, but what do you mean by YF? Correct, she is a YF DF spangleThanks Libby, but what do you mean by YF? Yellow Face.....der.....thanks Libby
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