Hi,

I have some Oral Ivomec which is for sheep.

It is a ready to use, 0.8g/L solution of Ivermectin.

It says on the bottle to give the sheep 2.5ml per 10kg liveweight.

I was wondering if I could use it for my budgie for lice and worms.

If so can someone tell me the dosage rate for each of these pests?

Thanks heaps!!!

One small drop on the back of the head but you should ring your vet first to make sure it is the right stuff as I am sure it is ment to be diluted.

Seeing as its the oral drench,I would put one drop on the beak,or if you have a few budgie,10mils,in a ltr

of water.

DO NOT use the IVOMEC Oral as orally it needs to be diluted and it does not dilute in water (if you know what to dilute it with then go for it but otherwise don't try). Also it is not designed to be used topically and does not have the ingredients needed for the product to get through the feathers and skin. You need to use the Cattle Pour-On formulation if you are going to use Ivomec as a spot on treatment. My suggestiong is to sell you Ivomec Oral for Sheep to a sheep farmer unless you have sheep of your own of course!

 

Also you cannot treat lice with an oral application as lice do not feed on blood and therefore will not be exposed to ivomec within the body of the budgie.

Edited May 12, 200916 yr by nubbly5

A lot of breeders use the "1 drop to the back of the head" method.

 

Why?

 

What does it do?

 

How does it work?

 

 

 

only asking out of curiosity?

I drosed my birds in 10ml / 1 lt. 132 of them...

I do the same thing Daz, 10mil to the ltr.Take the water away for the day & put the mixture in the next day.

Hi,

I have some Oral Ivomec which is for sheep.

It is a ready to use, 0.8g/L solution of Ivermectin.

It says on the bottle to give the sheep 2.5ml per 10kg liveweight.

I was wondering if I could use it for my budgie for lice and worms.

If so can someone tell me the dosage rate for each of these pests?

Thanks heaps!!!

Hi Billy,I was confused as well but got POUR ON IVOMEC for BIRDS from vet. advised 2 drops back of head, as its absorbed through skin. Bottle says 0.2ml per 100grams bodyweight. A 50 ml bottle cost $9.50 it will do a lot of birds.Didn't mention lice but said all worms, treat every 3 mths. Only thing it's difficult if birds are in big aviary to treat (have to catch them all) Hope this helps. Robyn

I do the same thing Daz, 10mil to the ltr.Take the water away for the day & put the mixture in the next day.

 

Is yours pour on or oral Macka

I have both,I use oral,when I am doing all the birds,& the spot on,if there is just a couple.the spot on is mainly

used on the poultry,if I bring any home from the Market,I put a couple of drops on the back of the neck & that cleans up every thing.

I do the same as macka....I use spot on for incoming birds or birds I handle or notice need it and I use ivermectin in the water for aviary birds.

IMPORTANT!!!!!!!

 

You all have to be clear about oral Ivomec FOR SHEEP and oral Ivomectin for birds which you can dilute in water. Ivomec Oral for Sheep cannot be diluted in water as it does not suspend. Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle is suitable for use as is and does not need to be diluted. 1 or so drops on the back of the head/neck.

 

Gee I feel like a broken record...... I just keep saying this over and over.

 

It treats lice, oral does not - Pour-On does as it travels around the birds through the feathering and contacts the lice to kill them.

It treats worms, oral does too - Pour-On travels down to the skin and into the blood stream and kills intestinal worms (same as it does with cattle!)

It treats mites, oral treats blood mites but not scale - Pour-On treats both scale mites (topically as with lice) AND blood mites (both topically AND systemically via ivomectin in the blood stream).

 

I use Ivomec (or a generic brand) Pour-On for worm treamtent, lice treatment and mite treatment. Last pooh check - no worm eggs. Have not had scale mite at all since starting treatment, also very little feather lice except on incoming birds. Blood mite needed extra treatment of perches and nest boxes with a SP (synthetic pyrethroid) long acting surface spray both got on top of them with the combination of Ivomec Pour-On application and SP spraying.

 

With the spot on treatment you DO NOT need to do a seperate oral worm treatment - waste of time, money and risks building worm resistance through the worms having many exposures to the same active.

I have found a place locally that sells Ivermec pour on for Cattle. Going by the dosage recommended for cattle a 30g to 35g budgie would require a half a drop. The smallest amount they sell is 250ml. Does the stuff have an expiry date? That's way too much for me. Maybe someone would want to buy some of it off me.

Edited May 13, 200916 yr by Paul Smith

The local Avian vet won't sell me Ivermectin for scaly face. I have to take the bird to him and he'll administer it. Seems like he wants the extra money. The search continues.

Paul

 

I end up using 1-2 drops coz 1/2 drop just doesn't work (sometimes i slip and the bird gets a "few" drops. I've never had an issue with adverse reaction. The vet won't sell you the Ivomec Pour-On as it's not actually registered for bird use and he would be liable for anything going wrong as he has perscribed it to you (also it's a good way for him to get extra money).

 

The best thing to do is to (as you suggest) find a few people who will go shares in the product with you. There are some cheaper identical generic brands around too. Noromectin Pour-On for Cattle and Baymec Pour-On for Cattle. And yes there is an expiry date but this product is pretty stable if stored out of direct light (keep it in the box) and will be okay for some time after the dating.

A little word of caution with 'off-label' use of drugs (using drugs beyond what they were registered for ie doing something other than what the label says) - it is not always safe to just go by what the dose says for another species, because different animals distribute, metabolise and excrete drugs in different ways - even the same species. A classic example is the difference between Clydesdale (1000kg) and Thoroughbred (500kg) horses. Clydesdales often need less of a drug for their size because at certain volumes drug doses are based on body volume or surface area, not weight. Another would be that goats are exquisitely sensitive to local anaesthetic drugs where sheep and cows are not, just because of some innate difference between them.

 

Drugs are registered for a certain species after they have had extensive testing, and must pass certain safety tests, including determining a safe dose amount, concentration, route and interval, and determining the range of doses where the drug works but before the toxic effects are unacceptable. In food producing animals they must determine how long it stays in tissues including meat and milk. When a vet uses a drug 'off label' they take complete responsibility for anything going wrong, and base the new dosing information on experience, other evidence/research (which usually shows that it has been used that way extensively, or is actually based on documented evidence, but still never undergone a true registration trial because the drug company doesn't see a financial gain in paying for it) as well as understanding how the drug is changed in the body. Some play it safe and dose to effect if there isn't extensive evidence to fall back on.

 

I trust what the experienced breeders here use, but when you use any drug off label, especially a new one that no one else has used before, please bear in mind that you are taking some amount of risk.

 

[More rambling information about legal stuff and drug registration if anyone is interested. Apologies for long posts, but I am eager to share what I have been taught in my course.

 

With regard to off label use, even the route is important when the active ingredient is the same. An example is a specific mastitis treatment for cows - there is a similar drug used for pinkeye and the only difference between the two is one chemical, which makes it absorb in the eye better. One is registered for use in the eye, the other for the teats, but neither is registered for both. Some people use the eye treatment in the teat because it has the same active drug, but costs less: the individual owner pays less and more owners are willing to buy it (vet makes more money) - bonus on all sides right? But it is not registered because for use in the teat because there was no testing of that extra chemical and how long it hangs around in milk (and they never will register it, because they make more money off having two different products. The drug company makes a loss if they pay to register it and then have people use the less costly drug formulation in the end). Some vets prescribe it but they take on board all (very severe) consequences if that chemical causes harm to a human that drinks the milk. Make more money and happy customer versus lose your license and reputation, and risk seriously harming an animal or human - this is what they must weigh up all the time when using drugs in ways other than their registered use.]

Edited May 15, 200915 yr by Chrysocome