I have two Cinnamon budgies (my first Cinnamons I've ever owned) so I was wondering whether the difference between them is normal? Is the shade of Cinnamon that different between birds? I don't know mch about Cinnamons as I have never had reason to research them, so I need some help here.

See the difference in the colour of their wings?

 

 

Thanks in advance. By the way, these are not recent photos, but the colour is the same.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Jen144

You have two cinnamon greys. The cinnamon gene not only changes the black melian to brown it also lightens the body colouring and sofens the feather.

 

I would guess that you have two greys, one is carrying a dark factor and so is darker than the other. What was the parents?

They actually are Mauves, though one may be Violet. The parents were a Skyblue Violet and a Mauve Normal split for Cinnamon.

Their cheek patches aren't grey or blue, they are almost exactly this colour (the body colour of the bird, who is the lighter coloured Cinnamon in those earlier pics) This is only the lighter coloured bird though, as I do not have the darker one at the moment. (though I will see her in a week)

 

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Jen144

They actually are Mauves, though one may be Violet. The parents were a Skyblue Violet and a Mauve Normal split for Cinnamon.

 

 

There's my old eyes again.. Well you've answered the question. a no factor dark factor to a double factor dark factor. Also the violet.

 

With this we can see what the outcome could be.

 

LvL x DD

 

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LvD = Visual Violet

LvD = Visual Violet

LD = Cobalt

LD = Cobalt

 

In this case the Violet must be on the no factor dark factor

 

As the Cock is split Cinnamon we know that both these birds are Hens. but can't be mauve.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Daz
Got to get my head right.... who said Sky violet ???

If they can't be Mauve what are they? And why can't they be Mauve, their sister from another clutch (Kyra, in my signature) is a Mauve Violet isn't she? All the babies of that clutch were Mauves, or at least I thought they were..

Also, what do you mean 'The Violet must be on the no factor dark factor'?

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Jen144

Sorry fixed my mistake... LvD is a visual Violet not Sky violet. getting late in the day.

 

To be a Mauve you have to mate a cobalt (or visual violet) and a mauve or cobalt.

 

They can be visual violets... Cobalt Violets. One being effected more than the other by the cinnamon gene

 

 

Budgerigars carry two dark factor genes. If there are no Dark Factors you get a Light green or Sky blue.

One dark factor and you get a dark green or Cobalt

Two dark factors and the bird is olive or Mauve

 

There is also the grey factor and violet factor. These need to be on one of the dark factors. In a cobalt LD the violet can be carried on either eg. LvD or LDv.

the outcome is very different. If it is carried on both LvDv we say that it is a double factor violet.

Edited May 5, 200916 yr by Daz

Okay, I sort of kinda understand that.

I wouldn't be suprised to find out the mother is actually Cobalt (and that's why all 4 babies she has had with this male have been Mauves, or appeared to be) as I am always being told by different peole she is Cobalt, then someone else says she is Sky blue. She is Storm, in my signature, if that helps.

So, what colour are they? And while I am on this topic, see the first picture of Ari, and her wings? Why is it like that between her wings, do you know?

Probably easiest to post clear pics of both parents and go from there lol. You might get slightly different answers regarding violet factor, as some people believe it is connected to a dark or light factor, while others think it is a seperate gene that adds colour (similar to grey).

 

Establishing the parental genes would be the first step.

Okay then. This picture shows the mum's colour: (she is a Clearflight Pied Spangle)

 

And the father: (a Mauve Normal split for Cinnamon and Rec. Pied)

 

Does this help?

Yep she looks to be a SF violet cobalt clearflight pied spangle.

 

Dad does look split for recessive, and mauve. And you can expect 50% cobalts and 50% mauves from this pair.

 

Interestingly enough, i think this is the perfect pair to test the violet factor/dark factor linkage theory. If violet is indeed 'carried' on either a light or dark factor (as opposed to being a seperate gene) then the hen is either LvD or LDv and the cock is DD. Meaning, you will only get violet cobalts and normal mauves, or normal cobalts and violet mauves. If you get a violet cobalt AND a violet mauve, then it disproves the linkage theory.

Well, they only had 4 chicks altogether. (the dad died a little while ago actually..) All seem to be Violet Mauves, 3 were Cinnamon and another was just Violet Mauve.

Storm was paired to a normal Cobalt a long while ago, and had 2 Violet Cobalts. If you set up the same sort of pair though, couldn't you prove/disprove that Violet is a seperate gene or not?

Are you able to answer my other question? Is it that one is Violet and one not (though their colour does look the same at the moment, but they haven't even moulted for the first time yet) or what, to have that difference in shade?

Edited May 6, 200916 yr by Jen144

I think the shading difference is just down to the variance in the cinnamon expression. Thats the reason you get some "poorly marked lacewings" and others that are 'strongly marked'. Cinnamon turns black pigment do brown and has a diluting affect as well, but the strength is never set in stone. You will get darker or lighter cinnamons.

 

I would be very interested to find out if this pair can produce a violet cobalt in future.