Hi all.

 

I have a few show birds that I want to pair up in a few months time.

I have no idea which bird to pair with which.

 

Here are the birds.

 

Cock 1 - Texas clearbody. Not big in size, thats all I know about it. Some chicks from this cock will be tcb so that is good because I like tcb.

 

cock 2 - Skyblue spangle. Average size, has opalescence.

 

Cock 3 - Skyblue normal. Pretty big in size. Good parent

 

cock 4 - green spangle. Good size.

 

Cock 5 - Green normal.

 

cock 6 - Recessive pied light green. good parent. Father to the green spangle cock above.

 

Thats it for males.

Time for females

 

Hen 1 - 06 hen. grey green cinnamon spangle. Good size.

 

Hen 2 - Good size. Opaline spangle grey green.

 

hen 3 - Good size and colour

 

hen 4 - hen on the left. good colour. good parent.

 

as you can see im low on hens.

Any opinions on who to pair to who would be greatly appreciated. Im mainly looking for size.

I think I'm going to pair cock 4 to cock 1. double factor spangles would be good.

Cock 2 to hen 2. Again I want double factor spangles.

Cock 1 to hen 4. Some tcb chicks.

 

What do you think?

Nice birds... but I'm no help with pairings... Good Luck

Hey Pearce,

 

What are your aims for these birds. Show pairings or colours in particular?

 

Sorry, just saw that you are after size....... I am currently shaped by my ISP so pics are taking a while to download. Will have a look and post when I can see them all..... sigh.

Edited April 18, 200916 yr by nubbly5

Thankyou very much nubbly for the reply.

 

I am just starting out showing, I know my birds arent the best quality but they are good to start with. Im basically looking for size in the birds. Also good length of mask is another one.

Their are many other things I want aswell but Im not sure if it will work that way.

okay my first choice would be cock 4 with hen 1. You really need some feather above the cere on all these birds and although hen 1 looks to be a bit short in the mask, she seems to be the most substantial above the cere and has better direction feather than the other hens as well as, by your comments, good in size. Cinnamon in DF spangles helps to reduce body suffusion.

 

Cock 6 is quite a nice example of a rec pied so try and find a nice normal hen to pair him to, to get some split rec pieds to breed back into.

 

Cock 1 to Hen 4 will give you some hen TCB but the quality of both birds is not as good as I would pair with (no disrespect intended). If you want to breed TBC's, buy a really good solid opaline grey green hen and put him to that. Opaline helps to clear suffusion (like cinnamon does for the DF's) from the TCB producing a clearer body colour, but unless he is split for opaline, you will only get normal hens and split opaline cocks from this pairing. All hens will be TBC and all cocks will be split for TBC. The next generation will be very useful as a base line to breed TBC's from.

 

Maybe cock 2 with hen 2 as another choice based purely on the next most appealling qualities of the birds.

 

Just a bit of advice here - it looks like - just from the birds pictured mind you, that you really need to find some top end feather from a couple of nice outcrosses. Look for directional feather (feather going horizontally out over the top of the cere) and cocks with good blow of feather. If you already have birds of reasonable size, you need to start looking at adding feather quantity an quality to your birds. If you've already got it in some birds not pictured here then just ignore my ramblings!!!!

hey if i was you i will breed this hen to this cock photos down

this cock to this hen

 

and doesnt recessive pied reduce size

yer but with the cock that you have no

gust have a look at his babys

Thankyou very much Nubbly I definitly agree with pairing one so that is going to go ahead.

I will try and find some other birds from breeders and I will repost when I get some.

Take your time and get a good idea of what you are after features wise. Be selective and think of complementary pairings for the birds you have already that you want to use. Definitely look for more feather but bird length is important too. Sometimes you can't buy both at once though!

 

A strong opaline hen should be easier to find than a strong TBC hen but if you come across a good feathered TBC hen thats for sale, buy her for the TBC cock bird.

 

Often hens are kinda harder to come by sometimes too so maybe look after the breeding season is over and when people have done a cull down. You might pick up some good birds then. Even put in an order with a breeder you respect and trust and who might be accomodating to you.

 

I just noticed you had picked cock 2 for hen 2 as well. That was another couple that I quite liked the look of together.

okay keep in mind i don't know a lot about picking pairs for showing. but here are my answers

 

Cock 1 with hen 4 - to not mix in any other wing patterns into the TBC.

cock 2 with hen 3 - double factor spangles and I might be wrong but he seems to have the longer mask and her the bigger head (blow area)

cock 3 with hen 2 - if you like blue splits in the stock (some dont) i think you could get some nice sized birds together

cock 4 with Hen 1 - same as nubbly together they should give some nice headed young.

I think I'm going to pair cock 4 to cock 1. double factor spangles would be good.

 

 

Good luck with this pair!

 

 

(I know, you meant hen1 )

is anyone able to tell me if any of these babies show any promising features with regards to showing. Do they have potential or am I on the wrong track. I've seen some show winners that I feel my birds can match or beat. I'm curious to know if they do have potential or if they should be sold as pets.

 

 

 

 

They are getting there Pearce....some wider brow and directional feather and masks on most arent what you would call short...hang onto them and see what they look like in 8 months time

thanks kaz.

I agree with Kaz, Don't think about selling them..okay Computer's being playing up...

 

 

 

I need to see the flights of the TCB to determin if it should be paired to a normal or Lutino. If the flights are heavily marked you should go back to a lutino to lighten the flights. If they are lightend and you ar lossing the wing marking pair back to a normal / TCB or just a normal to get the splits.

 

 

If this is the Spangle you got from the Recessive pied. Don't pair back to your Spangles but to a Recessive pied Hen. Don't worry if she has dirty wing markings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

She has better directional feathering and will help him. You will get normal hens from this pairing if he is not opaline. If all the hens are opaline you know he is too.

 

 

She has a better mask than his. I like his blow but she has the direction feathering.Being Opaline she can help his spots too.

 

 

I am hoping he has some opaline in him. The mask isn't too bad. He is a Yellowface Skyblue or more to what we would call a ParParblue. The yellowface bleed is very intent but has not fully changed the blue to green and you can still see it in him. The hen has swank and that is what is needed in all aviaries. Chest is out and the frontal is in display. She has a lot to give but need more in the mask, he can help . Both have good shoulders.

 

Now you need a Recessive pied hen for that Spangle / Rec and a good split hen for the Recessive Cock.

Edited April 20, 200916 yr by Daz

is anyone able to tell me if any of these babies show any promising features with regards to showing. Do they have potential or am I on the wrong track. I've seen some show winners that I feel my birds can match or beat. I'm curious to know if they do have potential or if they should be sold as pets.

 

 

 

 

 

If there is one single thing I have learned whilst breeding budgies is not to sell birds before 12 months old - unless they are tiny sparrows of course. Some birds look average for a long time and then all of a sudden are gorgeous.