July 16, 200915 yr i read bacteria infection but someone told me its from conseption so.....but the big green book says bacteria
July 16, 200915 yr Again after consulting Rob Marshall's latest book, p304: "Nutritional deficiencies, brooding failure because of extreme cold, heat or dryness or any stress related disease, nest contamination and egg borne diseases are some of the possible causes of weakness induced yellow belly. Yellow Belly and Nest Contamination Yellow belly may occur in chicks that have been strong at the time of hatching but have died from an overwhelming nest infection that has entered the yolk sac through the open naval. These type of infections are more prevalent in second round hatching clutches when unhygienic nest conditions are more likely to be present." p302 "A red color to the skin indicates dehydration associated with heat stress or infection whereas a pale or white skin color is often seen with Polyomavirus infection."
July 16, 200915 yr Again after consulting Rob Marshall's latest book, p304: "Nutritional deficiencies, brooding failure because of extreme cold, heat or dryness or any stress related disease, nest contamination and egg borne diseases are some of the possible causes of weakness induced yellow belly. Yellow Belly and Nest Contamination Yellow belly may occur in chicks that have been strong at the time of hatching but have died from an overwhelming nest infection that has entered the yolk sac through the open naval. These type of infections are more prevalent in second round hatching clutches when unhygienic nest conditions are more likely to be present." p302 "A red color to the skin indicates dehydration associated with heat stress or infection whereas a pale or white skin color is often seen with Polyomavirus infection." best be getting that book how much renee i may faint i know but sounds worth it
July 16, 200915 yr best be getting that book how much renee i may faint i know but sounds worth it I don't know, it was a birthday present! try Rob Marshall's website www.birdhealth.com.au
July 16, 200915 yr best be getting that book how much renee i may faint i know but sounds worth it $114 plus $16 ppackage and post
July 16, 200915 yr best be getting that book how much renee i may faint i know but sounds worth it $114 plus $16 ppackage and post thats good didnt fait after all and cheers renee for link
July 16, 200915 yr Author So pretty much according to this book, I am screwed as there is no cure if this is the virus, Karen, you are gone as you have had yellow bellied babies as well. Though the nest infection is rubbish in my case they. they have dry wood shavings and the nestboxes are very clean. It is their first clutch as well
July 17, 200915 yr So pretty much according to this book, I am screwed as there is no cure if this is the virus, Karen, you are gone as you have had yellow bellied babies as well. Though the nest infection is rubbish in my case they. they have dry wood shavings and the nestboxes are very clean. It is their first clutch as well My yellowbellied babies were early hatchings, where the hen helped them hatch too early. They still had umbilical cord attached and or open navel for germs to get in. Edited July 17, 200915 yr by KAZ
July 17, 200915 yr Author okay, so i am just screwed on my own then? Funny as I had this occur in one nest last year. I really think it is due to the mum passing on an infection, not a virus. Maybe mum is the carrier of the virus and it gets passed on that way. Anyway, I have moved the bub and it seems to be getting fed alright, so Earl and Latte have 3 young in their nest so far, 2 of which are theirs. I have also moved the fertile unhatched egg to from Dumber and Cino's nestbox to Dumb and Kestral's nestbox. We will see what type of parents they make. Twitch and Kiwi have their first little one. Tiny little thing, only born during the night sometime. Caesar's young seem to be doing okay. I have not seem him in the nest yet, but I am not in there watching every minute.
July 17, 200915 yr i've had this happen once so far... the hen helped it out of the egg very early and the chick had its cord attached to the egg for about half an hour when it was out of the shell... amazingly it survived .... it's best if the hen lets the baby do the hard work by cracking the shell open and at least getting some of its body out.... that way the baby is able to stretch and mobilize it's bone's as muscle so it is able to cope coming into the spaceful world coming from a tiny egg....
July 17, 200915 yr Well I have ahen right now that two days in a row has opened eggs too early and I find the egg with only half the shell left on it and a dead cold chick inside the egg.....I put millet in her box now as a distraction
July 17, 200915 yr Author I do not think the loss of these birds was due to early hatching, rather an infection. I think Mum may have an infection in her crop or so. We will see what happens.
July 17, 200915 yr I do not think the loss of these birds was due to early hatching, rather an infection. I think Mum may have an infection in her crop or so. We will see what happens. Sounds like it, hence my suggestion about the triple C to the parents earlier.
July 17, 200915 yr Hey Dave, sorry to be the bearer of bad news earlier. You've done the right thing by fostering the young chick and moving the fertile eggs to another nest. When I had a problem with pale chicks last year I also fostered the new born chicks and treated the parents with Lincospectin. It did the trick. Good Luck!
July 17, 200915 yr Author i have had it occur twice, and both times it has been in hens that are older, not younger. It might just be coincidence, but it might be a point to keep in mind. We will see. Hey Dave, sorry to be the bearer of bad news earlier.You've done the right thing by fostering the young chick and moving the fertile eggs to another nest.When I had a problem with pale chicks last year I also fostered the new born chicks and treated the parents with Lincospectin. It did the trick. Good Luck!Do not feel bad about being the "bearer of bad news" Renee. I am not of the opinion that ignorance is bliss, it is merely ignorance. I hope the fostering works out, both for the hatched and the unhatched chick.Is lincospectin a product you can get at a pet store, or only from a vet?
July 17, 200915 yr Hey Dave, sorry to be the bearer of bad news earlier.You've done the right thing by fostering the young chick and moving the fertile eggs to another nest.When I had a problem with pale chicks last year I also fostered the new born chicks and treated the parents with Lincospectin. It did the trick. Good Luck!Do not feel bad about being the "bearer of bad news" Renee. I am not of the opinion that ignorance is bliss, it is merely ignorance. I hope the fostering works out, both for the hatched and the unhatched chick.Is lincospectin a product you can get at a pet store, or only from a vet? Yes, a vet product. I got it from Rob Marshall. I believe it's worth your while to register with him as ordinarily my local vet would charge me $50 just for the medication for one bird ... and also I have purchased doxy, baytril, F-Vite, and many more products.
July 18, 200915 yr Author Hey Dave, sorry to be the bearer of bad news earlier.You've done the right thing by fostering the young chick and moving the fertile eggs to another nest.When I had a problem with pale chicks last year I also fostered the new born chicks and treated the parents with Lincospectin. It did the trick. Good Luck!Do not feel bad about being the "bearer of bad news" Renee. I am not of the opinion that ignorance is bliss, it is merely ignorance. I hope the fostering works out, both for the hatched and the unhatched chick.Is lincospectin a product you can get at a pet store, or only from a vet? Yes, a vet product. I got it from Rob Marshall. I believe it's worth your while to register with him as ordinarily my local vet would charge me $50 just for the medication for one bird ... and also I have purchased doxy, baytril, F-Vite, and many more products. How do I register with Rob Marshall?
July 18, 200915 yr How do I register with Rob Marshall? Visit his webpage at www.birdhealth.com.au then go to the Contacts Us page and email him asking to register. Mention that you are a member of the BBC and use me as a reference. Also, if you've joined a club, mention that too.
July 18, 200915 yr Author Thanks Renee, I will get onto that. I took some more photos. Caesar's a single parent now, but his two chicks look like this Twitch and Kiwi have their first Dumb and Kestral have their first, but it might be a niece or nephew. Earl and Latte have 2 of theirs and one foster. How will I know the foster - it will not be grey, and most likely will be a spangle Dumb and Cino have 1 egg left. I do not think it is fertile. Opinions?
July 18, 200915 yr Some very nice photos there Dave especially the winged one in the nestbox. Dumb and Cinos egg looks infertile to me. Go Caesar for looking after his babies.....also they are eating in the nestbox
July 18, 200915 yr Author I think the egg is interile as well, that is why I did not move it. I thought I will wait a little while though, better safe than sorry. I am so pleased that Caesar's young are eating in the nestbox. I noticed that, thus why I took some shots of it and wanted to include them. He is a real character that little spangle of caesar's, whilst the albino is a real softy.
July 19, 200915 yr Author Would you try and give Dumb and Cino a baby to raise ? I think this is where the infection is coming from - the crop of Cino. They have previously had 2 young die on them, and the one that I removed seems to be prospering with another mother. I do not want to risk another little one with them.
July 19, 200915 yr Would you try and give Dumb and Cino a baby to raise ? I think this is where the infection is coming from - the crop of Cino. They have previously had 2 young die on them, and the one that I removed seems to be prospering with another mother. I do not want to risk another little one with them. Totally agree with your line of thinking
July 19, 200915 yr Author What to do with that egg that might or might not be fretile was solved by Cino - she ate it. Since there were no more eggs, and I am not breeding her again, I removed the nestbox. Cino and Dumber will get a couple of days R&R before heading back to the aviary
