A friend of mine just got a beautiful female Yellowface Albino. I'm just wondering if it is normal for her to have quite easy to see markings on her face. She has grey-ish markings just around her face, where on a normal bird, there are the stripes on the head and neck. Is that normal? I've heard that sometimes albinos have faint markings on them, so it is just that?

A friend of mine just got a beautiful female Yellowface Albino. I'm just wondering if it is normal for her to have quite easy to see markings on her face. She has grey-ish markings just around her face, where on a normal bird, there are the stripes on the head and neck. Is that normal? I've heard that sometimes albinos have faint markings on them, so it is just that?

 

 

Albinos have no markings. (Normally) She may have suffusion which is a dusting of either grey or blue tinge. Being a yellowface, she may have the yellow bleeding into the body..

She has some suffusion, when there is a bright light shining on her, and some of the yellow is bleeding through her body colour, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm wondering if the faint markings around her face is a 'fault', if she were a show budgie, or if she is hiding some mutation under the Albino.

She has some suffusion, when there is a bright light shining on her, and some of the yellow is bleeding through her body colour, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm wondering if the faint markings around her face is a 'fault', if she were a show budgie, or if she is hiding some mutation under the Albino.

 

She may also be a poorly marked YF white Lacewing. Does she have evidence of a lilac coloured cheek patch? Albinos normally have a white cheek patch but if there are faint markings, some body colour all combined with a lilac cheek patch she may be a lacewing with poor markings.

Okay I am going to get an email with some photos of her soon. I'l post them here so you can tell me if she is indeed just an Albino or something else. By the way, is there also any chance of her being a Fallow? Those are the only mutations I know that can get confused with Albinos..are there other things she may be?

I think its a lacewing. I will wait for pictures to confirm but I've never seen an albino with grey head markings. Maybe a little suffusion but no head markings. Any hint of brown on the bird?

 

Fallows have red eyes and do get suffusion so its possible.I've nevr seen a yellowface fallow though, so im sticking with lacewing.

Edited April 6, 200916 yr by Pearce

Okay I am going to get an email with some photos of her soon. I'l post them here so you can tell me if she is indeed just an Albino or something else. By the way, is there also any chance of her being a Fallow? Those are the only mutations I know that can get confused with Albinos..are there other things she may be?

 

 

Unlikely it's a fallow UNLESS is a fallow combined with some other variety. I have bred some cinnamon fallows that look almost EXACTLY like lacewings but their markings were still very distinct. I have also bred som lacewings that were so poorly marked that i could often get away with benching them as albino's without judges picking up on it (unless they knew about the cheek patch ).

Alright so it's likely she's a Lacewing, but we won't know for sure til I get those photos. Assuming she is a Lacewing, what kind of babies would she have if paired to a YF2 Cobalt Rec. Pied? (don't know if he's split for anything) I know you'd get:

100% split for Rec. Pied, unless the girl is split too, if she is then 25% split, 25% Rec Pied and 25% Normals, right.

100% Yellowface 2's

But I think Lacewing is a colour made from combining Cinnamon and something else right? I don't know what Lacewing is really...Either it's two colours together or a sex-linked gene..

Yf blue series lacewing x yf2 cobalt rec pied.

Youd get no lacewing chicks. Baby cocks would be split lacewing.

You would get all blue series birds (cannot tell what until I know the df of lacewing)

50% chicks would be yellowface.

All the chicks would be split recessive pied.

 

Lacewing is sex linked. And seen as though your lacewing is a hen, sadly you would get no visual lacewings.

Edited April 6, 200916 yr by Pearce

Lacewing (as Pearce said) is a sexlinked variety. It's a variety in it's own right but it's considered to be the close association of cinnamon and ino genes. Try and find some information about "crossover" of the cinnamon and ino genes to find out more if you are interested.

Finally got some pictures of her, though I can't post them at the moment. But, she does have a white cheek patch. And the markings around her face and on her neck are obvious (I just saw her in person yesterday) and when I looked closely I could even see light grey cheek spots! What exactly does tha mean? Is it because she is a yellowface that her markings are all showing through?

Edited April 20, 200916 yr by Jen144

I would not have thought so. YF DF's and Albino's don't show markings just because they are YF. Markings are determined by melanin and YF is determined by reduction of the yellow ground colour from a normally green bird so two different mechanisms at work there.

 

Really need a picture to make a better diagnosis of what is going on.

I look forward to seeing pics, she sounds very interesting and beautiful

 

Pearce - when you say 50% would be YF... is that taking into account that the hen is also a YF albino? Just wondering

Here are some pictures of her. I had to take them with my old camera which really does not do good detail whatsoever..so I doubt you can really see it. But look closely..I can see her cheek spots in the pictures, and a little of the markings on her neck. (here's hoping you can as well!) I'm going to get some better pictures when I can, don't know how soon that will be yet.

And yes, I know her eyes look black in those pictures, trust me, they are not..they are very much red. Bright red.

When a photo is taken with a window behind the subject the subject ends up shaded....you need a photo without a light source like a window behind it.

Does anybody have any idea why she has these markings? She is definetly Albino, isn't she, seeing as she has a white cheek patch? Why then does she have markings everywhere? I can't get them with my camera but they are definetly there, no doubt about that..any ideas what it is?

I've got her in a breeding cage at the moment (she is a friend's bird but breeding at my place) so maybe her babies will answer the question...

Edited April 22, 200916 yr by Jen144

We cannot see her markings due to the photo you took. If she is at your place, then try for a better photos so we can see what you can see.

just looks like a yf2 albeno to me i got a cock just the same he has slight marks over his body you must remember as they mask things depending on their dark factor thats being masked the feather manenlium how ever that is spelt can be darker on wings and neck due to wings and body melenium being seperate

my cock is opaline and thats how i guessed what he masked i do this with most my albenos check for faint cinnamon look its just the normal mutation they masking slitly showing through

well from my experiance i may be wrong

Hard to tell from the photos but she looks like albino with faint markings as GB says. The poorly marked lacewing's I've bred and seen have been more marked than that with a quite distinct cheek patch but that might just be the photo. One of the lacewings I bred I often benched as an ablino and only a couple of times did any judge pull it up........ and then reclass it as a lacewing.

 

Can you try and get some pics of the head close up and also looking from the top down onto the birds back, wings and tail. Any slight cinnamon in the tail will also show it to be a poorly marked lacewing.

I finally got my new camera, so here is a picture that shows her markings. When I was looking at her recently, I noticed there are the spots on her face, markings on her head, neck, and even on her wings. I haven't seen any cinnamon on her at all though, even the markings are grey. You can see those markings (even the cheek spots) on this photo, though they are much fainter than in real life.

 

So, why does she have this?!

Edited May 14, 200916 yr by Jen144

Anyone?

Oh wow, what a beautiful specimen, thats the sort of bird im looking for to times are desperate now for lutino's and albino's in my area, so if that was for sale i would put $300 no problem on it...Lol

im not experienced with mutation's and such but my gosh its a beautiful bird

Oh wow, what a beautiful specimen, thats the sort of bird im looking for to times are desperate now for lutino's and albino's in my area, so if that was for sale i would put $300 no problem on it...Lol

im not experienced with mutation's and such but my gosh its a beautiful bird

Who ever owns that bird,$$$ sell it before mattdog changes her mind.

Is it possible she is an Albino with markings (because she is masking 1 or more mutations under the albino)? I've been searching the net for any other birds that look like her, and found these three:

Would it be possible that she is one of those? Or more likely to just be an Albino masking something? The reason I think there is a chance she might be one of those is that they too look like Albinos, but have markings on their faces and wings...

If nobody knows the answer to that question, then I have another. How would I test breed her to see what she is? Mate her to a normal and then one of her babies back to her, for example..

 

Mattdog, you should move up to Qld...all the petshops near me have over 70% of their budgies are Lutinos, Albinos, and YF Albinos (most of the others are pied and yellowfaces)!

I think its a yf albino otherwise known as a creamino, I can't see any grey markings on her...