If both parents are dominant pied will that automatically make any dominant pied chicks DF taking one gene from each parent ??

Dom pied to dom pied = = 25% df dom pieds, 25% dom pieds and 25% normals. Not all dom pied chicks will be df.

Dominant Pied(SF) x Dominant Pied(SF)

25% Normal

50% Dominant Pied(SF)

25% Dominant Pied(DF)

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by KAZ

Thank you KAZ and Pearce. So is the only way to tell if they DF or SF by their visual appearance? Is there a certain percentage of their body that has to be "clear" to consider them DF ?

Wings are mostly clear and also body is mostly devoid of body colour.....ie a white budgie has very little blue on it etc. Darker splash of colour on rump. Markings ( bars ) around head area resembles those of recessive pieds.

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by KAZ

Thanks KAZ.

An example............

 

in DF dom pieds cockbirds rarely have blue ceres...their cere is pink with a hint of blue.

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by KAZ

An example............in DF dom pieds cockbirds rarely have blue ceres...their cere is pink with a hint of blue.

Then I think I have one DF just like this one.... ??It's belly is pure white with only a little color on his rump, neck and one or two tail feathers underneath.

 

Can you tell me if you think these are SF or DF ?? Or do I need to wait for them to feather up a bit more?

 

 

 

 

The last chick appears to be Yellowface II (like it's dad).

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by chrissy0705

The first is double factor

Second is single factor

Third is probably double factor but wait a bit to be sure

Fourth is single factor

agree with Neville

They have feathered up now and I think I have my answers to Double or Single Factor Dominant Pied??? Can ya'll tell me if I am correct in my assumptions?

 

Double Factor

 

 

Double Factor

 

 

Single Factor

 

 

Single Factor

 

 

** One question on # 4 - This chick is a Yellowface, sky blue, but it's wings where they are white on all the other chick are yellow, how is that... ?? (PS... This chick is a TWIN to it's father, dad looks the exact same, but his "blue is turquoise"

Edited March 25, 200916 yr by chrissy0705

I would say the first is a double factor but the rest are single factor. Remember that dominant pieds can vary in the amount of clear feather produced by the single factor gene. Some can almost resemble clearflights - having minimal belly band clear feathers and mainly flights clear. Others can have a huge belly band and almost clear wings up to the shoulder.

 

First one is way too clear to be SF though And again i would bet the others are all SF with some variance.

First one looks double factor.

Second one looks single factor to me,

Third one sf

fourth one sf, and a beauty. He is a really nice looking bird chrissy.

 

** One question on # 4 - This chick is a Yellowface, sky blue, but it's wings where they are white on all the other chick are yellow, how is that... ?? (PS... This chick is a TWIN to it's father, dad looks the exact same, but his "blue is turquoise"

 

I have a chick coming up that is just like this one! Its about a week younger so its great to see how it might turn out! Its a YF2 SF dominant pied cobalt. Cant wait to see them both feather up! I'll be sure to show you!

 

Also, in regards to the wings being yellow, thats because the of the yellow face My chick has the same yellow wings

Edited March 25, 200916 yr by Dean_NZ

 

** One question on # 4 - This chick is a Yellowface, sky blue, but it's wings where they are white on all the other chick are yellow, how is that... ?? (PS... This chick is a TWIN to it's father, dad looks the exact same, but his "blue is turquoise"

 

I have a chick coming up that is just like this one! Its about a week younger so its great to see how it might turn out! Its a YF2 SF dominant pied cobalt. Cant wait to see them both feather up! I'll be sure to show you!

 

Also, in regards to the wings being yellow, thats because the of the yellow face My chick has the same yellow wings

 

 

I thought the YF gene might be a factor in the wings being yellow, but if that is the case why are the flight feathers white? Shouldn't they be yellow also or is this a clearflight bird and that is why the flights are white??

there is yellow on the wings becuase the type of YF you are working with is the type 2 gene.

 

Ringo - yellowface Dominante pied.

 

even on a green pied (rec) they are white:

 

why is this? well on a normal patterned wing the flights are only ever white and black, so with the pied gene it removed the black leaving white wings.

 

 

and I agree with the other comments only the oldest bub is a df pied.

Edited March 26, 200916 yr by *Nerwen*

I thought the YF gene might be a factor in the wings being yellow, but if that is the case why are the flight feathers white? Shouldn't they be yellow also or is this a clearflight bird and that is why the flights are white??

 

Nope, mine has yellow wings and white flights too So does its mum!

Thank you !! This was a great help. One more question on this chick... his rump is blue as you can see and she has a "necklace" of blue around her neck, but her entire belly from her neck down is white (with the exception of 2 blue dots on her left leg and chest). Her vent area is white and the base of her tail below her vent is blue. Being this much white on her body, she is still considered a SF and not a DF??

 

 

the pied marks are always random and it is only a guide. but mostly the Double factors only have colouring on their rump area like a recessive pied.

 

Pie -sf pied (produced normals so he isn't df)

 

Ringo - Sf as well offspring of Pie (she hated letting me get a frontal shot of her)

Edited March 26, 200916 yr by *Nerwen*

Thank you !! This was a great help. One more question on this chick... his rump is blue as you can see and she has a "necklace" of blue around her neck, but her entire belly from her neck down is white (with the exception of 2 blue dots on her left leg and chest). Her vent area is white and the base of her tail below her vent is blue. Being this much white on her body, she is still considered a SF and not a DF??

 

 

It is SF dom pied....if it were DF dom pied ordinarily the whole front would be white. The percentage of DF Dom pied in a nest of dom pied to dom pied averages only 25%.....possibility of DF dom pied ....one in four chicks.

Edited March 27, 200916 yr by KAZ

Thank you again everyone for the help!