I have started to pair some of my birds, sadly most of my best birds are either out of condition or still in quarantine, but i thought i would get the breeding ball rolling all the same, with the birds that are available at the moment.

 

I have only 4 pairs at the moment:

 

Pair 1.

 

Recessive pied cock and recessive pied hen (both from Libby)

 

Pair 2.

A grey cock and a Lutino hen ( cock from renee, and hen purchased locally)

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Pair 3.

Jeff Lloyd light green Cock with DF spangle hen. (cock from Kaz and hen from auction)

 

Pair 4.

Cec Gearing hen with Gearing/Armstrong cock (this pair is from Kaz)

 

I would love to hear any thoughts and view about these pairs. If you see any errors or faults that i am doubling up on I would be really interested to know about them

 

Thanks in advance

Edited April 10, 200916 yr by KAZ

I wouldnt pair the recessive to the recessive....you need normals split recessives for them.

okay Liv, I'm not going to focus on compatibility but a word of warning:

 

1. The Recessive Pied cock is a magnificent bird and deserves a better mate, try the Greygreen Hen

 

2. I don't recommend Grey with Lutino, try Normal Green Cock with Lutino Hen

(grey is good with albino but negatively affects the buttercup yellow, Green enhances the yellowness)

 

3. I would put the Grey Cock to the Recessive Pied Hen

(He's not too big but is bigger than her, also his face features should complement hers)

 

4. I would put the Greygreen Cock to the DF Yellow Spangle

(In the absence of Cinnamon, Greygreen goes very well with DF Yellow- I have bred fantastic SF Spangles from this combination)

 

Try putting them in show cages and have a look .... hopefully they'll like each other

Edited February 24, 200916 yr by renee

okay Liv, I'm not going to focus on compatibility but a word of warning:

 

1. The Recessive Pied cock is a magnificent bird and deserves a better mate, try the Greygreen Hen

 

2. I don't recommend Grey with Lutino, try Normal Green Cock with Lutino Hen

 

3. I would put the Grey Cock to the Recessive Pied Hen

 

4. I would put the Greygreen Cock to the DF Yellow Spangle

 

Try putting them in show cages and have a look .... hopefully they'll like each other

and I agree with EVERYTHING Renee has suggested

Hi.

 

I dont have any comments about changing the pairs but the birds are magnificent. I really like the male recessive pied, well done.

WOW!! Did i stuff up thoes pairs or what!! I have so much to learn

 

Thanks so much for your help... i will put them together and take new pics and see what you think

 

we are all learning liv. i am sure I am going to do the exact same thing as you in a month or so

I want to keep this pair together for their bloodlines

 

Pair 4.

Cec Gearing hen with Gearing/Armstrong cock (this pair is from Kaz)

 

I will scout my aviary for other possible partners for the Recessive Cock and the DF spangle - will post pictures later.

The hen in my avatar could be a good match for him, she is still in quarantine so might have to wait until the July round.

Edited February 24, 200916 yr by **Liv**

Liv - I understand why you want to kept the Grey Greens together, because of there bloodline. But without knowing the parents i would be worried pairing these 2 together. Both have deep masks but poor spots, both need longer feather and i think that you could cement these bad features. It's possible that they are breed from longer feathered, bigger spotted birds and your chances of recifiying these faults is greatly increased. My opinion only, cheers

okay Liv, I'm not going to focus on compatibility but a word of warning:1. The Recessive Pied cock is a magnificent bird and deserves a better mate, try the Greygreen Hen2. I don't recommend Grey with Lutino, try Normal Green Cock with Lutino Hen3. I would put the Grey Cock to the Recessive Pied Hen4. I would put the Greygreen Cock to the DF Yellow SpangleTry putting them in show cages and have a look .... hopefully they'll like each other

and I agree with EVERYTHING Renee has suggested

I also agree with everything Renee said because when I saw the 2 recessives together I thought Oh no I thought you were ment to put them with normal or split and the lutino I do know that when I had mine I was ment to put Light green normal to keep the lovely buttercup colour and Albino to you grey.Good luck with your breeding Liv

Liv - I understand why you want to kept the Grey Greens together, because of there bloodline. But without knowing the parents i would be worried pairing these 2 together. Both have deep masks but poor spots, both need longer feather and i think that you could cement these bad features. It's possible that they are breed from longer feathered, bigger spotted birds and your chances of recifiying these faults is greatly increased. My opinion only, cheers

I also agree with Heath's great advise and he does know what he is talking about.

Edited February 25, 200916 yr by splat

Thank you all for such great advice

Edited February 25, 200916 yr by **Liv**

Liv - I understand why you want to kept the Grey Greens together, because of there bloodline. But without knowing the parents i would be worried pairing these 2 together. Both have deep masks but poor spots, both need longer feather and i think that you could cement these bad features. It's possible that they are breed from longer feathered, bigger spotted birds and your chances of recifiying these faults is greatly increased. My opinion only, cheers

 

Liv, this is very good advice.

 

I understand the temptation to mate 2 birds from top studs together ... but I wouldn't chose these 2 to do it with.

Thanks so much for the great advice given, what would we do without you all

 

My hubby and I spent hours last night going though every bird, and using your advice and advice from other breeders as well, we have shuffled the birds. We have paired the entire flock (on paper) so some that i was going to breed now will be bred later and vice versa . We were quite impressed to have paired every bird except for 2 cocks which i suspect have French moult, so none will be "wasted" and all will be tried with the best partner possible :bliss:

 

Will show some pics later as its getting hot here again.

 

Thanks again

hay liv how did you go with the pics ????

do we get to see

Ah yes... Will do pics soon. Still have all pairs in the aviary at the moment as have been doing more aviary swapping and changing - I cant wait for the breeding room to be done so all my birds are neatly in one place - at the moment they are everywhere and have quarantine cages spread out everywhere too, as i have new birds from 5 different breeders in different stages of quarantine

 

I am planning to put the pairs together in the cabinets before the end of the week, perhaps even later today

cool will look in latter date thanks

Liv - I understand why you want to kept the Grey Greens together, because of there bloodline. But without knowing the parents i would be worried pairing these 2 together. Both have deep masks but poor spots, both need longer feather and i think that you could cement these bad features. It's possible that they are breed from longer feathered, bigger spotted birds and your chances of recifiying these faults is greatly increased. My opinion only, cheers

 

Liv, this is very good advice.

 

I understand the temptation to mate 2 birds from top studs together ... but I wouldn't chose these 2 to do it with.

 

I would only add that if you have never bred from a pair of birds from a VERY good breeder before, and you have bought culls, that you should give them a round and see what you get. Just because you pair two ""lower quality" birds there is a VERY GOOD chance that you will get birds that ARE a lot better than the ones you breed from. Mind you, you put your faith in the reputation of the breeder you purchased them from. But why else do we purchase culls from breeders who we can't afford to buy their $1000 birds from?

 

I would also say that after that round that IF nothing good came from that pairing that you should then look at pairing those birds with the BEST ones with mutually beneficial features - but this jumping out of the line will obviously introduce a high level of randomness from the genetic pairing, which you will have to them combat.

 

Truth is that you in all likelihood will come out far ahead with the initial pairing after the next successive pairing than from complete out-crossing. I would do both (breed the initial pair and then the best complimentary breeding) and then in the next season pair the best half brothers and sisters from EACH line to one another.

Here are my pairs

 

Pair one

 

Grey green recessive pied cock with grey green hen.

 

 

Pair two

 

Grey green Dominant Pied cock with Grey green hen

 

Pair three

 

Grey green cock with grey green hen

 

 

Pair four

 

Grey spangle cock with Sky blue cinnamon spangle hen

 

Pair five

 

Light green opaline spangle cock with double factor spangle hen

 

Edited March 10, 200916 yr by **Liv**

Here are my pairs

Pair four

 

Grey spangle cock with Sky blue cinnamon spangle hen

 

This is my favourite pairing- but then I'm biased!

 

You should get some lovely DF White Spangles.

Edited March 10, 200916 yr by renee

I hope so renee - Spangles are my favorite variety. I also love grey greens, normals, yellow faces and dominant pides

 

The grey spangle is DF yellow face so will be YF DF spangles i hope

Edited March 10, 200916 yr by **Liv**

I hope so renee - Spangles are my favorite variety. I also love grey greens, normals, yellow faces and dominant pides

 

The grey spangle is DF yellow face so will be YF DF spangles i hope

Oh No! I hadn't picked up on the YF. In that case I wouldn't pair them together as I don't think you can show YF DF Spangles. It would be a waste of good birds.

I hope so renee - Spangles are my favorite variety. I also love grey greens, normals, yellow faces and dominant pides

 

The grey spangle is DF yellow face so will be YF DF spangles i hope

Oh No! I hadn't picked up on the YF. In that case I wouldn't pair them together as I don't think you can show YF DF Spangles. It would be a waste of good birds.

 

Thats the interesting thing with showing... some gorgeous looking birds can be a complete waste...

 

I personally hope that you still do this pairing just because I'd love to see a YF DF Spangle... but hey thats just my opinion... speaking from a purely non showing point of view

We didnt realise that YF DF spangles were a no no on the show bench, however its only 25% DF spangles from that pair so will still keep them together for now. We have a lovely normal Sky hen that he can go with next time. cocks get 2 hens in our place

I hope so renee - Spangles are my favorite variety. I also love grey greens, normals, yellow faces and dominant pides

 

The grey spangle is DF yellow face so will be YF DF spangles i hope

Oh No! I hadn't picked up on the YF. In that case I wouldn't pair them together as I don't think you can show YF DF Spangles. It would be a waste of good birds.

 

I believe Gary has shown one.

 

YF DF spangle lot 115 wynnam redlands auction...photo bottom of page.

Edited March 10, 200916 yr by KAZ

Your right Kaz and it came 8th. Nice looking bird too

 

Link ---> http://www.wrbsinc.com/wrbsauction2009.pdf