Hi, I have Oliver who is a YFII skyblue spangle.

His parents are yellow/green greywing cock and YFII skyblue opaline spangle hen.

Along with Oliver they also produced a Creamino hen and YFII skyblue cinnamon spangle recessive pied hen.

Now my question is what does that make Oliver split for? I want to breed him eventually and would like to know his full story.

I'm not sure if he is greywing (his wings don't show grey they are quite white) so does this mean he is split for greywing.

His father was split for blue if he produced blue birds is that right? And also from what I understand the father was also split for cinnamon and ino as well because he produced these birds as these are sex linked (I think)?

So where does the recessive pied come from? Is that from both parents or one and can Oliver be split for that to?

Sorry to be a pain...but basically is he split for every mutation listed above or is it like a lucky dip for what he inherits?

Thanks Derricka

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you wrote he is from a yellow/green greywing x yf2parblue spangle hen so if he has a cremeno brother thats from the yellow cock oviously so the chicks are 50 percent split/greywing split ino split cinnnimon /rec pie so dad and mum were split rec pie which does not suprise me as most yf2 parblue spangles are breed from a sky violet or cobalt spangle x yf2 par blue rececive pie matting hope that helps um im not sure but the hen must be split ino as well as rececive pie to produce a cremeno i could be mistacon on that mabe he can produce ino hens only if he was split and hen was not i would need to look at my papers for that not to good at memorizing stuff im not formilular with im sure someone will corect me if im wrong ....please some one corect me lol

but i think he cant produce male cremenos unless they are both split ino

Edited February 24, 200916 yr by GenericBlue

If Oliver’s father was a greywing he will definately be split for greywing. For his father to have produced a creamino (yellow face albino) and a cinnamon he must have been split for both ino and cinnamon (both sex-linked and must have come from the male). As the cinnamon chick was also recessive pied both parents must have been split for recessive pied. Oliver has a 50% chance of inheriting each of these 3 mutations. Apart from greywing, which he must have, the only way to find out if he has inherited the other 3 mutations is by test breeding

Edited February 24, 200916 yr by Neville

Ino and cinnamon are sex links traits and he has a 50% change of been given either of the gene (carrying them) only way to be sure is to get one in his nest. Recessive pied is a recessive gene so both parents would have been split for it for a sibling to appear. He will be split for that gene. Greywing is a recessive gene and he will be split for that gene as well.

 

Yes the father was split for blue, but Oliver is a blue based bird.

 

Neville - ahh yes, I mixed that up with the recessive, there is a chance the parents didn't pass on the recessive gene on to him (both gave him their normal gene) so a test breed would be needed to find out.

Edited February 24, 200916 yr by *Nerwen*

Hi, thanks for your replies.

Geez if he actually turns out to be split with all these mutations thats one heck of a mix.

What about the opaline? Can he be split for that also or do both parents have to be opaline?

Thanks Derricka

Hi, thanks for your replies.

Geez if he actually turns out to be split with all these mutations thats one heck of a mix.

What about the opaline? Can he be split for that also or do both parents have to be opaline?

Thanks Derricka

Opaline is a sex linked mutation and only males can carry it as split so if it turns out that he is carrying opaline he can only have inherited it from his father unless his mother was an opaline.

 

With so many mutations turning up in one clutch of chicks it makes me wonder if the birds are colony bred and they have different fathers

At the time of producing Oliver I only had the 2 budgies. Oliver's 2 sisters are from the second clutch of same parents. They are not colony bred from my point of view and they definitely have the same parents.

I have no knowledge of his parents lineage as they were pet shop buys. From the same place, 3 years apart.

This place has a large supply of budgies and I don't know where they get their birds from or if they breed them.

And Oliver's mother is opaline, so does that means he is split for that as well?

Tis' very confusing this genetics business, but oh so interesting.

Thanks Derricka

And Oliver's mother is opaline, so does that means he is split for that as well?

If Oliver's mother was opaline he definately will be split for opaline as well