Posted February 10, 200916 yr okay Seeing as Kaz asked, I dug, resized and uploaded up some photos of 3 of my promising birds. 2 late (Nov/Dec) '08 babies and an early '08 hen. Hen is the nest sister of my Grey boy that won BIS last SW club meeting. 2 babies are nest brother & sister yes the grey is a hen. They are exciting babies and hopefully will grow on nicely. Cheers Nubbs
February 10, 200916 yr Author WOW !!! Really nice mate ...really nice Bloodlines ? Umm...... (Nubbs goes into Budgerigar program.....) Older hen goes way back to a lovely Normal green of Shoemans lines with a line I call my Superbudgie line (predominantly Gearing) but my breeding for about 5yrs now. Youngsters are from Henry George x Gearing/Superbudgie (1st gen G&G) to a Muller x Gearing lacewing hen so the blue is split for lacewing too.
February 10, 200916 yr Very good to see you here and to see some of your birds....hope you stick around Really enjoyed your talk on A.I. recently. Edited February 10, 200916 yr by KAZ
February 10, 200916 yr Your talk on AI? Ah, now I know who this is. I too learnt a lot from that talk. Very interesting. I was the annoying large guy that didn't really want to have a feel - LOL Some great looking birds.
February 10, 200916 yr Gorgeous birds and Elly is tell you to enter one of those pictures (I like the 2nd head shot) into the Budgie of the Month Contest .
February 11, 200916 yr Author WOW lovely birds, should do well with them. Muller is WA breeder or Victoria?Muller & Farrell (NSW) - Lacewing mother is the daughter of a 2nd place National bird (Victorian 2005 Nationals I think).Bugger!!! Thought I would sneak in without too many people recognising me Your talk on AI? Ah, now I know who this is.I too learnt a lot from that talk. Very interesting. I was the annoying large guy that didn't really want to have a feel - LOLSome great looking birds.
February 21, 200916 yr Author Yes Kaz, she has a few admirers!!! John and Fran came for lunch recently and I had to frisk Fran to make sure she wasn't smuggling that grey baby out (budgie smuggling that is). I LOVE this bird and the blue brother is really lovely too (just not as good a photo of him) but funnily enough at the last show she was placed second to another of my UBC's who is nice enough but not of the same power and presence as this bird. When I politely asked why, the judge commented that she had a bit of a tendancy to drop her wings. Yep okay fair comment but at what point does a deduction for slightly dropped wings put this bird in second place to a clearly inferior bird......? If you look at it on a purely points based perspective this bird would have creamed it in in all other aspects, size, deportment (apart from SLIGHTLY dropped wings of course), mask depth, directional feather, overall length and size etc etc. Fault judging is a very frustrating thing.
February 21, 200916 yr We all know a bird has to be all things to a judge in that very moment the judge is viewing the bird....some behave at that time and others dont...some look great for those few moments and others look like cr*p, and others photograph like stars and look like cr*p on the perch when showing.... At least you know which one is the better bird. Does that get me a share in her ?? :rofl:
February 22, 200916 yr Author We all know a bird has to be all things to a judge in that very moment the judge is viewing the bird....some behave at that time and others dont...some look great for those few moments and others look like cr*p, and others photograph like stars and look like cr*p on the perch when showing....At least you know which one is the better bird. Does that get me a share in her ?? Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... how do I politely say......... NO.
February 22, 200916 yr We all know a bird has to be all things to a judge in that very moment the judge is viewing the bird....some behave at that time and others dont...some look great for those few moments and others look like cr*p, and others photograph like stars and look like cr*p on the perch when showing....At least you know which one is the better bird. Does that get me a share in her ?? Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... how do I politely say......... NO.
February 22, 200916 yr Funny how you talk about judges. I was at my club meeting the other day and they were talking about a very respected breeder, and how he was at a show once, where his bird was judged, put in first place, and they were just in the middle of recording the places, when his bird dropped its tail feather. It went from 1st to last in an instant. Warren went from calm to mad in an instant. He argued it had already been judged and that previous standings should count. Judges hey? LOL. Edited February 22, 200916 yr by Dave_McMinn
February 22, 200916 yr By the photo,I would think.the wings are a bit heavy,as a UBC,you can't see the end of the wings in the photo. A photo in a show cage,may show a totaley different look.
February 22, 200916 yr WOW !!! Really nice mate ...really nice Bloodlines ? Umm...... (Nubbs goes into Budgerigar program.....) Older hen goes way back to a lovely Normal green of Shoemans lines with a line I call my Superbudgie line (predominantly Gearing) but my breeding for about 5yrs now. Youngsters are from Henry George x Gearing/Superbudgie (1st gen G&G) to a Muller x Gearing lacewing hen so the blue is split for lacewing too. hey is the fist grey hen from henry george bloodline i like her good on you :anim_19:
February 23, 200916 yr Author Um no, first grey hen is the Schoemann/Gearing sort of lines but my breeding for around 5 yrs. I wonder at what point it becomes a House line? With the heavy wings....... I watched the judging and to be honest, this hen showed like a star and IMO (and yes it's just my opinion obviously) her wings might look not as neat as the one that beat her but her power and strength and all other aspects were much better. I guess my comment relates to how much is one fault worth compared to 60% type, 25% colour, 15% markings. So..... heavy secondaries is a listed fault but so is shallow or narrow mask and when you compare the 2 the grey has a magnificent depth of mask and the 1st place bird not as nice. The grey is BIG in comparison and length is part of the standard of perfection the first place bird average sized. The first place bird was opaline without a clear mantle. So what is a relative thing here. I guess what I am trying to say here is that I (personally) think it's complete folly to penalize a bird for one fault over and more "average" specimen that does not have something to pick on. I tend to think about what I would be promoting the breeder of said birds to keep working on and you would have to be nuts to disregard the grey hen over the one that beat it. But as always I temper these comments with - this is obviously just my personal opinion. A prime example was a few year ago when a very strong recessive pied WITHOUT the MAJORITY of it's primary flight feathers go chosen to represent WA at the Nationals. Here's me thinking "bloody strong bird but it's just about go NO flights". Well blow me down this bird came 5th in the Nationals - I nearly fell over but it taught me something important. In the standard missing flights is only a fault and this bird was strong enough to overcome the majority of this class without them. Theothers in front of it were clearly stronger bigger and more powerful examples of rec pieds. This showed me how important it is to look for the positives in a bird and to examine it's quality as a whole against it's competition. So fault judging for me is now pretty frustrating. Tell you what I'll take some photo's of them both and lets all have a look.
February 23, 200916 yr Um no, first grey hen is the Schoemann/Gearing sort of lines but my breeding for around 5 yrs. I wonder at what point it becomes a House line? With the heavy wings....... I watched the judging and to be honest, this hen showed like a star and IMO (and yes it's just my opinion obviously) her wings might look not as neat as the one that beat her but her power and strength and all other aspects were much better. I guess my comment relates to how much is one fault worth compared to 60% type, 25% colour, 15% markings. So..... heavy secondaries is a listed fault but so is shallow or narrow mask and when you compare the 2 the grey has a magnificent depth of mask and the 1st place bird not as nice. The grey is BIG in comparison and length is part of the standard of perfection the first place bird average sized. The first place bird was opaline without a clear mantle. So what is a relative thing here. I guess what I am trying to say here is that I (personally) think it's complete folly to penalize a bird for one fault over and more "average" specimen that does not have something to pick on. I tend to think about what I would be promoting the breeder of said birds to keep working on and you would have to be nuts to disregard the grey hen over the one that beat it. But as always I temper these comments with - this is obviously just my personal opinion. A prime example was a few year ago when a very strong recessive pied WITHOUT the MAJORITY of it's primary flight feathers go chosen to represent WA at the Nationals. Here's me thinking "bloody strong bird but it's just about go NO flights". Well blow me down this bird came 5th in the Nationals - I nearly fell over but it taught me something important. In the standard missing flights is only a fault and this bird was strong enough to overcome the majority of this class without them. Theothers in front of it were clearly stronger bigger and more powerful examples of rec pieds. This showed me how important it is to look for the positives in a bird and to examine it's quality as a whole against it's competition. So fault judging for me is now pretty frustrating. Tell you what I'll take some photo's of them both and lets all have a look. On Saturday at the State Derby for Young Birds Peter Glassonbury penalised a magnificent Normal Green for having heavy wings, so it didn't make the top 5 on the Top Bench in the Novice Class. There were a few mumblings about that decision. However, later when he was judging the Colour Classes the same bird was selected ahead of Intermediate and Open birds. So I guess what you can take away from that experience is that heavy wings are a fault but must be viewed in perspective with/against the other competing birds. Edited February 23, 200916 yr by renee
February 23, 200916 yr Author Here are pics for you! I went a spaz and snapped others while I was in aviary too........ I do like taking birdie pics. okay full shot of grey girl. Full shot of opaline that beat her - remembering they were both UBC's (in UBC class) but this girl has started to break cap and is showing more feather than she had in the show. Yes neater wings (well I think neater tail carriage, as grey has tendency to hinge her tail more than drop her wings). Still prefer the grey but I do think this opaline is growing on nicely too...... Some other snaps taken today as well. This is my most favourite hen and probably close to the best bird in my aviary. Blue brother of the young grey hen that Kaz wants Happy with the quality of these '08 clearwings. This is actually the younger brother of the grey green opaline hen above.
February 23, 200916 yr They are gorgeous budgies Gina. You deserve to be one of our State's leading breeders.
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