Yes cinnamon dilutes the body colour. Boris' slave could have used the flash which brightened the colours. I'm not saying it is a cinnamon spangle, to me it looks to be a normal spangle.

Edited February 1, 200916 yr by Pearce

That bird is NOT a cinnamon skyblue spangle....

 

 

 

This IS a cinnamon skyblue spangle....note the paler body colour and near absence of spots at the mask area

 

 

Edited February 1, 200916 yr by KAZ

I accept he's not a cinnamon bird - the cinnamon grey green hen is lighter than the normal grey green hen, his wing markings just intrigue me.

 

None of his baby photo's show the colour well, he moulted into a beautiful bright bird just like his father but without the face spots.

 

Here his father is the middle bird, rather handsome bird in my opinion (mother dfs):

 

This is one of his baby pictures:

 

Could I pair him to Boris? Will they make nice bubs?

So Dad is a greywing

Could I pair him to Boris? Will they make nice bubs?

Boris is nearly 4 yrs old, her last clutch was infertile and she is showing all the signs of struggling through moults these days. Might be time for retirement.

Graywing? Does that then mean the son is split graywing?

 

I was thinking of retiring Boris, this summer has knocked her about and we haven't even had a really hot one.

Greywing is recessive so if the father is a greywing he would have passed some greywing genes on to his babies. Some of the chicks could be split greywing and some could not. Who was the grey green father mated to?

 

He was mated to a double factor spangle hen? That would mean that all chicks would be sf spangles. Some of these would be split greywing. I am still learning so their is a possibility I'm wrong.

Edited February 4, 200916 yr by Pearce

Greywing is recessive so if the father is a greywing he would have passed some greywing genes on to his babies. Some of the chicks could be split greywing and some could not. Who was the grey green father mated to?

 

He was mated to a double factor spangle hen? That would mean that all chicks would be sf spangles. Some of these would be split greywing. I am still learning so their is a possibility I'm wrong.

Did you mean greywing Pearce ?

Yes kaz sorry.

Yes, he was mated to a dfs hen.

okay so it is possible he is split greywing, you wont know until you breed him.

Hoping to this season. Any suggestions from page 1 of this thread?

Boris is my 4yo (in June) green normal hen.

Just a question Karen - is this blue spangle part of the M.spangle family?? just that line seems to have faint cinnamon look to the wings as a chick turning to black in the moults. and from memory that was with any spangles from the group.

Hi Jen, long time no see!

The bird in question isn't from the melanistic family line, I seem to have lost all members.

aww that's sad to hear.

I accept he's not a cinnamon bird - the cinnamon grey green hen is lighter than the normal grey green hen, his wing markings just intrigue me.

 

None of his baby photo's show the colour well, he moulted into a beautiful bright bird just like his father but without the face spots.

 

Here his father is the middle bird, rather handsome bird in my opinion (mother dfs):

 

Could I pair him to Boris? Will they make nice bubs?

 

The father looks like a Clearwing to me. He has the fuller body colour and pale grey spots. Greywings are stronger in spot colour and 50% body colour unless they are FBC Greywings. People get the "dirty" Clearwings mixed up with Greywings all the time. Have you got a rear picture of the bird?

Got some new birds today so managed to get a couple of pics of the sky spangles' wings taken in shade and in sunlight.

My mother thinks the markings look gray (while we had him in the shade).

Sorry I took so long getting these pics, thought it pointless when my harddrive packed up to take them then.

 

 

 

He is a spangle sky blue.

yep, the thing was what colour are his wing markings?

I always thought they looked brown, my mother thought they look gray when looking at them in the shade.

We know he's not a cinnamon because his colour is not diluted.

I bought a nice gray spangle today to pair to him once her quarantine is over so he'll be a happy chappy! or should I pair the normal gray hen to him? I forgot what the breeder suggested!

Edited March 7, 200916 yr by Boris' Slave

If you pair him to a spangle you will get 25% normals, 50% spangles and 25% double factor spangles.

If you pair him with a normal you will get 50% normals 50% spangles. Personally Id pair him with the spangle only because I love df spangles.

yep, the thing was what colour are his wing markings?

I always thought they looked brown, my mother thought they look gray when looking at them in the shade.

Hes a normal spangle, not cinnamon or grey. Its just that his markings arent all that good.

i don't see signs of cinny or grey either