Hi

 

Their is a chick in the nest Im not sure about with the mutation.

 

Is it possible to get cinnamon opaline? And the colour does not look light or dark green to me.

 

To me I would say its a grey green opaline cinnamon, what do you think?

 

Looks texas clearbody to me Flights look greyish. What colour is the tail and flights ?

Edited January 28, 200916 yr by KAZ

Looks like an olive green texas clearbody to me. The wings give it away, faded at the top (near the shoulder), and greying near the tips.

 

Body colour is usually diffused or absent in TCB's. I think the markings on the head and neck are too clear to be opaline myself, and TCB's can have the appearance of opalescence but i still dont think it is.

 

Gorgeous lil feller tho

Thankyou Kaz and Dean_nz.

 

The parents are:

Cock - skyblue normal - has opaline in him

hen - Grey green - split to blue.

 

How can tcb be possible? Isnt it sex linked aswell? Can a cock have 2 sex link mutations? That would also mean this chick is hen?

 

I will check the flights and tail now.

 

flights are greyish and tail is dark blue.

Edited January 28, 200916 yr by budgie88

I don't see the V for the opaline pattern or the reverse pattern on the head, I do see why you could think it would be an opaline because of the wing pattern but I believe him to be a TCB also.

 

The father is carrying the TCB gene and the chick has to be hen this is how you can get a sex-linked chick and the parents are different mutations. Only the hen can not mask a sex-linked gene but the cock bird can.

Thankyou very much all for the help.

 

These are all the chicks neon and thunder have ever had

#1 - Skyblue normal

#2 - Texas clearbody, olive

#3 - Grey opaline

#4 - Grey green opaline

#5 - Light green normal

 

Neon is a grey green HEN

Thunder is a skyblue normal COCK

 

So for the babies to be those mutations I'm assuming:

Thunder is masking opaline and Texas clearbody.

Neon is split for blue.

 

Am I correct in saying this?

 

Thankyou all.

Thankyou very much all for the help.

 

These are all the chicks neon and thunder have ever had

#1 - Skyblue normal

#2 - Texas clearbody, olive

#3 - Grey opaline

#4 - Grey green opaline

#5 - Light green normal

 

Neon is a grey green HEN

Thunder is a skyblue normal COCK

 

So for the babies to be those mutations I'm assuming:

Thunder is masking opaline and Texas clearbody.

Neon is split for blue.

 

Am I correct in saying this?

 

Thankyou all.

 

The sky blue would have to be a cobalt because a sky blue (0 dark factors) x green (1 dark factor) would not result in an olive which is 2 dark factors. So I believe that the TCB is a grey green not an olive - the cheek patches look silvery, this would be more likely.

 

The rest is correct.

Edited January 28, 200916 yr by Elly

I agree, a grey green TCB hen, if the parentage is as you say.

Thankyou very much all for the help.

 

These are all the chicks neon and thunder have ever had

#1 - Skyblue normal

#2 - Texas clearbody, olive

#3 - Grey opaline

#4 - Grey green opaline

#5 - Light green normal

 

Neon is a grey green HEN

Thunder is a skyblue normal COCK

 

So for the babies to be those mutations I'm assuming:

Thunder is masking opaline and Texas clearbody.

Neon is split for blue.

 

Am I correct in saying this?

 

Thankyou all.

 

The sky blue would have to be a cobalt because a sky blue (0 dark factors) x green (1 dark factor) would not result in an olive which is 2 dark factors. So I believe that the TCB is a grey green not an olive - the cheek patches look silvery, this would be more likely.

 

The rest is correct.

 

 

It is a Texas Clearbody, Looking at the rump it appears it is a Dark Green. I can just see a little bit of tail which looks bluish, that coupled with the cheek patch colour rules out the colour Grey Green which is sometimes confused with Olive. Maybe your second chick on the list is a Grey Green. Look at the tail (black) and cheek patches (violet)

 

The fact that a Sky Blue and a Light Green were produced means the second chick listed cannot be an Olive. Olive requires two dark factors, one from each parent. The cock has no dark factor to pass on.

 

The hen could be a Light or Dark Grey Green but she is a single factor Grey as she has produced non Grey offspring. She is also split for Blue as blue has been produced.

 

The cock is split for TCB and Opaline. As these are sexlinked any produced will all be hens. As you have not produced an Opaline Texas Clearbody combination it shows the genes for these two mutations are on separate chromosomes and will not be inherited together unless a crossover takes place.

Hi Ripbudgies.

 

Thanks very much for your help.

 

This pair did produce a grey opaline baby. So does this mean the hen is a double factor grey green? Because she passed it on?

 

I will put all this in my documents thanks very much again.

 

Also, the tail is dark blue.

Hi Ripbudgies.

 

Thanks very much for your help.

 

This pair did produce a grey opaline baby. So does this mean the hen is a double factor grey green? Because she passed it on?

 

I will put all this in my documents thanks very much again.

 

Also, the tail is dark blue.

 

No, she has produced non Grey offspring therefore she is a single factor Grey. The Grey baby will be a Grey Sky or a Grey Cobalt (if the hen is a Grey Dark Green).

 

Tail blue - then definately the TCB is not Grey Green.

Hi all

 

Do you remember summer and chomper. I lost my breeding records, my computer crashed so its all gone. I am hoping someone can help me determine a few things.

 

Chomper:

 

Summer:

I forget exactly what we decided she was, We were debating between dark green cinnamon spangle and yf2 blue cinnamon spangle.

 

These are all the chicks these 2 have produced. Hopefully you will be able to tell what chomper and summer were split to.

 

#1 yf green normal

#2 yf green normal

#3 spangle light green

#4 cinnamon spangle light green

#5 opaline dark green

#5 dark green normal

 

The colours dont really matter to me, its just telling what chomper and summer were split to. My understanding of it is, chomper was masking opaline and cinnamon. Is it that simple?

I think I've figured out the above. Could you please correct me.

Summer was a yellowface green cinnamon, split to blue. Chomper was a light green recessive pied, split to opaline and cinnamon and to blue.

 

Together they produced.

#1 yf green normal

#2 yf green normal

#3 spangle light green

#4 cinnamon spangle light green

#5 opaline dark green

#5 dark green normal

 

So that would mean that

Both yf's could be any sex.

#3 Spangle could be any sex

#4 cinnamon spangle light green would be hen, seen as chomper is masking the cinnmon

#5 Opaline dark green would be a hen, seen as chomper is masking the opaline

#6 Dark green normal could be any sex.

 

Is this all correct?

I think I've figured out the above. Could you please correct me.

Summer was a yellowface green cinnamon, split to blue. Chomper was a light green recessive pied, split to opaline and cinnamon and to blue.

 

Chomper is a Recessive Pied Light Green: Summer is a Spangle Cinnamon Dark Green

 

Together they produced.

#1 yf green normal

#2 yf green normal

#3 spangle light green

#4 cinnamon spangle light green

#5 opaline dark green

#5 dark green normal

 

So that would mean that

Both yf's could be any sex. No yf's can be produced at all as it is not in the parents

#3 Spangle could be any sex Correct

#4 cinnamon spangle light green would be hen, seen as chomper is masking the cinnmon Could be either sex as hen is Cinnamon

#5 Opaline dark green would be a hen, seen as chomper is masking the opaline Correct

#6 Dark green normal could be any sex. Correct

 

Is this all correct?

Hi thanks very much Ripbudgies. My internet is extremly slow at the moment so unfortunatley I cant acess my photobucket pictures. 2 of the babies produced are green but have blue in them. I will try find a picture for you.

 

This is one of them.

The blue is not as noticable in this one I will try find another. I can definitly see blue in him.

 

Edited January 29, 200916 yr by Pearce

Baby birds will always show blue feathering as the feather is immature and so lacks the full function of the adult bird. You must remember that all animals produce a juvenile fur/plumage etc. Human babies for example. The hair which they are born with is soft and fine but once a particular stage is reached it drops out and is replace by more mature hair. Check out what baby cheetah look like before maturing. Their spots are dull and they have a thick mane of hair on their necks. A lot of the immaturity has evolved for protection and/or camoflage. Also remember that word that I always use VARIATION.Baby birds will always show blue feathering as the feather is immature and so lacks the full function of the adult bird. You must remember that all animals produce a juvenile fur/plumage etc. Human babies for example. The hair which they are born with is soft and fine but once a particular stage is reached it drops out and is replace by more mature hair. Check out what baby cheetah look like before maturing. Their spots are dull and they have a thick mane of hair on their necks. A lot of the immaturity has evolved for protection and/or camoflage. Also remember that word that I always use VARIATION. Not all of one colour is identical to another. If you get to a show look at one class of birds, say Light Greens or Sky Blues, and really look at them. You'll see differences in the level of green in the body, the black undulated markings will vary as will the sharpness of these markings, check out the spots which will be the easiest to spot differences in.

okay Thanks very much Ripbudgies. I will take the yellowface out of my records.

 

The next pair is a skyblue yellowface type 1 hen was paired to a cobalt normal cock.

The chicks were

Cinnamon skyblue normal

Cinnamon yellowface normal

 

The cock is masking the cinnamon? if so that would make the cinnamon chicks hens right?

 

With sex linked, is it more common for a hen to display sex linked mutations? Because for a cock to display opaline both parents need to have the gene dont they? Where as a hen baby only needs the father to mask it.

Yes, to get opaline cocks, then both parents have to be opaline. As I understand, it is not good to breed opaline to opaline in the show budgie world as this would produce smaller birds of lesser quality.

okay I did not know that thanks very much Dave. Is it true that the spangle mutation increases size in birds?

Hi

 

If a clutch of babies is produced and some chicks are cinnamon and some are opaline, and the hen is not showing either of these mutations. Then this means the cock is masking both these mutations and all chicks will be hens right?

Tail blue - then definately the TCB is not Grey Green.

I have put in my records that she is a dark green. Tail is blue and not BLACK so that cancels out grey green. Olive is not possible from this pairing. It could also be light green but I'm thinking its more dark green.

Saying that the pairing of two of the same mutations as Dave mention Opaline to Opaline will reduce size is not neccessarily correct unless the birds themselves are predisposed to produce small birds. Spangle dot not increase size purely because they are spangles. I have seen no evidence to back up those theories. There are some genes that are linked to colours and that is fact in other animals. Two examples of the top of my head are in horses and fox. The horse breed known as Andalusian contains no chestnut. The stud book does not allow any to be registered so they are not bred. Reason for this is they are just a little crazy. Not all, it can be bred out (more than likely by crossover) I owned a chestnut horse many years ago and yes it was a little unhinged and I have seen plently that were just as I have seen plently that weren't. There is a fox bred in Russia for the fur trade. Generally the little beggers are quite fisty and nervous in captivity. There occoured a mutation producing a different fur colour and with this came a change in temperment, they were more placid and coped better in the confines of the fur farm. There is no doubt that there is gene linkage but with such things as size, temperment etc but one can't take such tunnel visioned approach. Some of these fallacies came about so early on in the development of the budgerigar generally because it appear true at the time and there was very little information available to the breeder unlike today. Like any thing look through the pedigree, if there are a number of indivuals who are quite small then there is a higher chance of producing smaller birds.

okay Thanks very much RIPbudgies.