Kaz kindly sent me some ivermectin early in December, which still hasn't gotten here because Australia Post keeps thinking it's flammable and refuses to deliver it.

 

I went to several vets in my immediate area, none of them had it.

 

Today we went through the trouble of going all the way to see a bird vet, cuz we thought they MUST have it. But no, they don't carry ivermectin at all because 'it's toxic', and they tried to sell me some $30 dewormer instead. They also 'recommended' I take the bird in for a $115 health check. I could have all 5 cats treated for parasites for that amount!

 

I don't know what to do, the bird needs to be treated for scaly face, but I can't get the stuff to treat it with.

Kaz kindly sent me some ivermectin early in December, which still hasn't gotten here because Australia Post keeps thinking it's flammable and refuses to deliver it.

 

I went to several vets in my immediate area, none of them had it.

 

Today we went through the trouble of going all the way to see a bird vet, cuz we thought they MUST have it. But no, they don't carry ivermectin at all because 'it's toxic', and they tried to sell me some $30 dewormer instead. They also 'recommended' I take the bird in for a $115 health check. I could have all 5 cats treated for parasites for that amount!

 

I don't know what to do, the bird needs to be treated for scaly face, but I can't get the stuff to treat it with.

I just sent you another bottle via express envelope. So allow 2 days and you should have it this time.

I would suss out who your local bird clubs are and speak to them as they will probably sell it through their trading bench

I would suss out who your local bird clubs are and speak to them as they will probably sell it through their trading bench

They may do. Aust post seems to get upset over its flammability. But its off again in the post, better disguised this time.

 

 

I am wondering why less and less vets sell it now ?

Edited January 5, 200916 yr by KAZ

Because if they sold it over the counter then less people would have to get $115 health checks for thier birds. I have had vets tell me they'll sell it but only if they see the bird for a consult, I bet they'd love it if I turned up with 50 budgies, galahs, corellas and lorikeets all for a health check

Our avian vet sells it over the counter.

The dewormer they tried to sell me they said the birds usually won't drink it (it's the kind you mix with water which somehow also treats scaley face) so they recommended using a crop needle to give it to her, which there's no way I'm gonna do. I wouldn't trust myself sticking a sharp metal object into her throat, so they said to come in for the health check and they could do it then, but it was gonna cost extra.

 

As if that's gonna happen..

 

I think it's really bad that they would charge that much. Fair enough that some people would pay that much to have their bird checked, but a lot of people wouldn't, and so you end up with a lot of birds which need medical attention but aren't getting it because their owners won't or can't afford to pay for it.

being in a rurul town you can get ivonectum in the local grain stores all around

thing is getting the dose right

c sts fifty something bucks for enough to treat the whole forums birds lol or mabe not

if your good at maths its the way to go

The dewormer they tried to sell me they said the birds usually won't drink it (it's the kind you mix with water which somehow also treats scaley face) so they recommended using a crop needle to give it to her, which there's no way I'm gonna do. I wouldn't trust myself sticking a sharp metal object into her throat, so they said to come in for the health check and they could do it then, but it was gonna cost extra.

 

As if that's gonna happen..

 

I think it's really bad that they would charge that much. Fair enough that some people would pay that much to have their bird checked, but a lot of people wouldn't, and so you end up with a lot of birds which need medical attention but aren't getting it because their owners won't or can't afford to pay for it.

 

I think the problem for vets is that the Ivermectin treatment works. There are some issues to do with different doses for Ivermectin which is designed for different beasts - cows, sheep etc. and not meant for birds and I can understand that it would be easy to administer the wrong dosage if given the wrong information or a different Ivermectin product. Also, some is "spot on" and some is water soluble? At one stage a few years ago I was told that decanting and selling-on Ivermectin would attract a $50,000 fine and there was almost an underground market for the product. I'd say that many vets have become more pragmatic about it and yielded to demand. I recall years ago my approach to a vet to purchase Ivermectin was met with shock and horror and a stern little talk.

Yes, I've seen the ones for dogs and horses as well, and I would assume those would be much higher dosage than the one for birds. But surely it won't be toxic if it's your bird vet who gives it to you and tell you how to use it? To just not sell it at all because it's toxic doesn't make sense.

Some of our members in budgie clubs buy the cattle product and decant it and make it up in a new strength, but I still go back and buy the one from our vet as he is an avian vet and he sells it over the counter.

Colin Walker may send it too you. He sells it to me over the counter and its about $30. It is also administered via crop needle, or spot on. So maybe its the same product that they were trying to sell you. Did you get a brand or name? Cause there is an ivermectin derivative that on the market- i dont know the full details.

 

And it does treat scaly face. We have birds that I have treated with it and it worked a treat

Yes, I've seen the ones for dogs and horses as well, and I would assume those would be much higher dosage than the one for birds. But surely it won't be toxic if it's your bird vet who gives it to you and tell you how to use it? To just not sell it at all because it's toxic doesn't make sense.

Yes, one would hope for good information from a vet. Many common products for both birds and humans are toxic in too high a dosage. I had a friend in the bird club who was told that the dosage for a particular product (normally diluted) was very flexible and it wouldn't hurt to give a stronger dose - so he gave 1mL undiluted straight down the bird's crop with a crop needle - the bird didn't die but it went blind and lived the rest of its life walking around his aviary floor. With the Ivermectin for dogs, horses etc. the animals would need a quantity pro rata to their body weight but the concentration of the product might be different depending on how it is to be administered - or different animals might react differently to the product.

Yes, I've seen the ones for dogs and horses as well, and I would assume those would be much higher dosage than the one for birds. But surely it won't be toxic if it's your bird vet who gives it to you and tell you how to use it? To just not sell it at all because it's toxic doesn't make sense.

In the meantime, while you are waiting for your Ivermectin, a smear of vaseline (petroleum jelly) suffocates the mite that causes the condition and doesn't ruin the birds' feathers. Remember to do legs and feet as well, particularly under any ring.

I don't remember the name of it, moxi something? But she said to put it in water, but because they don't normally drink it it was better to use a crop needle. It can't be used spot on, at least the bottle said nothing about it.

Edited January 5, 200916 yr by lil_fuzzy

A cheap cure for scaley face is vegetable oil. Everybody got it in there pantry. It is a bit messy but works. Vaseline will also do the trick.

I don't remember the name of it, moxi something? But she said to put it in water, but because they don't normally drink it it was better to use a crop needle. It can't be used spot on, at least the bottle said nothing about it.

 

Moxi T is a Rob Marshall product, it is an antibiotic for Strep and Staph infections.

 

I use S76, an invermectin based product, also from Rob Marshall that you add to water for 2 days out of every month. It treats air sac mite, lice, red mites and worms. The big advantage is that it is safe to use during breeding.

 

Just recently Kaz had a horrible outbreak of red mites which to my shame apparently came from one of my birds. The thing is I never had an outbreak myself because I treat all my birds at the beginning of the month with S76.

 

And believe me, red mites are the worst of all creepy crawlies as they hide during the day in the cracks of nest boxes and emerge after dark to suck the blood out of your birds.

A cheap cure for scaley face is vegetable oil. Everybody got it in there pantry. It is a bit messy but works. Vaseline will also do the trick.

 

Yes, I know, but I was hoping to avoid that, as the bird will not let me near her and I'd rather not have to catch it every single day.

 

Moxi T is a Rob Marshall product, it is an antibiotic for Strep and Staph infections.

 

That's not it, it was moxitoxin or something very similar. 2 x'es, but I can't remember the exact name.

Your not thinking of Moxidectin are you?

Yes, I know, but I was hoping to avoid that, as the bird will not let me near her and I'd rather not have to catch it every single day.

 

When I have a bird that needs individual specialized attention I catch it up in the aviary and then keep it separate from the flock in a smaller cage. This way if I have to catch it each day and treat it's not so difficult. Now more so in the hot weather, you don't want to be running around stressing out your flock for the sake of just one bird.

Your not thinking of Moxidectin are you?

 

That sounds about right:)

being in a rurul town you can get ivonectum in the local grain stores all around

thing is getting the dose right

c sts fifty something bucks for enough to treat the whole forums birds lol or mabe not

if your good at maths its the way to go

 

 

Hey GB, I got some more ivermectin (spot on neck) from vet yesterday and I asked her about the dilution rate. She said you can't dilute the spot on stuff with water because the water and ivermectin seperates (a bit like oil in water). It must be mixed with a different liquid of the same consistancy (Can't remember what it was... started with a "p") However the cattle ivermectin (to go in the drinking water) can be diluted with water but needs to be digested (ie put in their water).

being in a rurul town you can get ivonectum in the local grain stores all around

thing is getting the dose right

c sts fifty something bucks for enough to treat the whole forums birds lol or mabe not

if your good at maths its the way to go

 

 

Hey GB, I got some more ivermectin (spot on neck) from vet yesterday and I asked her about the dilution rate. She said you can't dilute the spot on stuff with water because the water and ivermectin seperates (a bit like oil in water). It must be mixed with a different liquid of the same consistancy (Can't remember what it was... started with a "p") However the cattle ivermectin (to go in the drinking water) can be diluted with water but needs to be digested (ie put in their water).

 

Liquid Parrafin be the name your looking for?