Although the photo does not show the whole bird it is enough to get some guesses going.

 

Edited December 23, 200816 yr by RIPbudgies

a cock...

Type 2 yellow face grey. The yellow has spread making it appear grey green

I agree with Neville

Looks like a dark green opaline cock to me.

Looks like a dark green opaline cock to me.

 

Dark green, cock bird. Not sure about wing markings - ground colour green in wing says it is opaline but other characteristics of opaline not apparent (clear saddle, window in wing, yellow patch leading edge of wing). Might be worth checking description of saddleback variety.

Although the photo does not show the whole bird it is enough to get some guesses going.

 

Violet dark green.

so what is it RIP?

I agree with Liv, looks like an Opaline Dark Green (maybe Olive) Cock to me??

okay I'll put you all out of your misery.

 

It is a Dutch Pied(sf) Olive Green

 

If you look closely you will see a couple of yellow feathers on his neck.

Most of you thought he was Opaline because of the green in the back of the neck going down through to the wings. This is a trait of Dutch Pieds. It is referred to as "Frosting" and does not always manifest itself on all birds. I was researching this inheritence when I gave up the birds so I did not come to any conclusions.

Another trait of Dutch Pieds is that the black markings on the wings especially are never sharp and clearly defined as in a Dominant Pied. They can and do have grizzled like flights.

 

This is his father a Dutch Pied(df) Violet(sf) Mauve

This bird was the start of my Dutch Pied breeding program. He was paired with the biggest Show Type Dark Green hen I had. It was a very prolific pairing and each round produced no less that 6 chicks all Pieds.

I purchased him from a breeder who insisted it was a Danish Pied.

 

 

One of his sisters a Dutch Pied(sf) Violet(sf) Dark Green

 

Very interesting, I never thought Opaline, I always though if they didn't have the reverse on the head and the V that an opaline displays then it is not an opaline they need to have those characteristics.

dark green

did I miss something? what are you saying dark green to?

Very interesting, I never thought Opaline, I always though if they didn't have the reverse on the head and the V that an opaline displays then it is not an opaline they need to have those characteristics.

 

My post of 24th Dec also refers to opaline characteristics. Many opalines nowadays don't display the clear saddle but are brindled to a greater or lesser extent. An opaline with a clear saddle is beautiful, but they tend not to be show birds. Other opaline characteristics include the ground colour of the wings being the same as the body colour, a tendency to have windows or patchy areas in the wing pattern, and an area on the leading edge of the wing which is yellow in green series birds, white in blue series birds. An opaline which is true to variety desirably displays opalescence in the saddle and body feather but this is less and less evident in the variety over time. The bird originally posted in this thread displayed the opaline ground colour in the wings, but none of the other opaline characteristics. It had me tricked!

Have you ever bred from him?

If so did he produce any pieds?

Or did you just assume he was a Dutch pied because his father was one?

Very interesting, I never thought Opaline, I always though if they didn't have the reverse on the head and the V that an opaline displays then it is not an opaline they need to have those characteristics.

 

My post of 24th Dec also refers to opaline characteristics. Many opalines nowadays don't display the clear saddle but are brindled to a greater or lesser extent. An opaline with a clear saddle is beautiful, but they tend not to be show birds. Other opaline characteristics include the ground colour of the wings being the same as the body colour, a tendency to have windows or patchy areas in the wing pattern, and an area on the leading edge of the wing which is yellow in green series birds, white in blue series birds. An opaline which is true to variety desirably displays opalescence in the saddle and body feather but this is less and less evident in the variety over time. The bird originally posted in this thread displayed the opaline ground colour in the wings, but none of the other opaline characteristics. It had me tricked!

 

 

so what your saying is that some my opalines are not opaline thanks just to make my life more complicated... lol well needed a nother chalange typing destinction i now start over yet a gain .... grrrr

Have you ever bred from him?

If so did he produce any pieds?

Or did you just assume he was a Dutch pied because his father was one?

 

Yes Neville I did breed from him. Being Olive he was used not only for the Dutch Pied of which he produced some lovely marked individuals but also to breed more Olives and Mauves. He was one of my favourite birds in the avairy. He was just like his dad, loved the ladies and was very fertile.

Very interesting, I never thought Opaline, I always though if they didn't have the reverse on the head and the V that an opaline displays then it is not an opaline they need to have those characteristics.

 

My post of 24th Dec also refers to opaline characteristics. Many opalines nowadays don't display the clear saddle but are brindled to a greater or lesser extent. An opaline with a clear saddle is beautiful, but they tend not to be show birds. Other opaline characteristics include the ground colour of the wings being the same as the body colour, a tendency to have windows or patchy areas in the wing pattern, and an area on the leading edge of the wing which is yellow in green series birds, white in blue series birds. An opaline which is true to variety desirably displays opalescence in the saddle and body feather but this is less and less evident in the variety over time. The bird originally posted in this thread displayed the opaline ground colour in the wings, but none of the other opaline characteristics. It had me tricked!

 

 

so what your saying is that some my opalines are not opaline thanks just to make my life more complicated... lol well needed a nother chalange typing destinction i now start over yet a gain .... grrrr

 

I hope it ends up making your life more interesting - not more complicated. Can I help with identifying your birds? Unless you get some of those tricky Dutch pieds!

My guess was olive for the color, but did not guess the pied part, did not think opaline either. I've missed any pied characteristics (ie head spot, odd color flights?) I'm guessing the mother of this bird was a normal? Would love to see a picture of her also.

My guess was olive for the color, but did not guess the pied part, did not think opaline either. I've missed any pied characteristics (ie head spot, odd color flights?) I'm guessing the mother of this bird was a normal? Would love to see a picture of her also.

 

Yes the mother was normal. Unfortunately I do not have a picture of the mother. He not Opaline. I put his picture up to show that a bird can look quite different to what it actually is. When he was hatched and began feathering up I did at first believe he was the only Normal produced in the nest. But there were 3 yellow feathers on the back of his and Opalesence coming through. With no Opaline in the family background and the dad being a DF Dutch he had to be a SF Dutch. It just goes to show that a Pied can look almost normal. You just have to know what to look for.

 

but still relates.

 

I have also been interested in genetics and the visual expressions of horses and cattle. In the pied horse of which the main three are Overo, Tobiano and Sabino there are variations and combinations. I have seen in person a Pied Chestnut mare with one patch of white under her belly where the saddle girth goes about the size of a mans hand. That's it! She is still a pied. Longhorn and Watusi cattle have the most variable markings I reackon in the cattle family.

 

Now just to throw a little spanner (spanner smilely needed here) in the works. The Spangle and the Mottle can be considered Pieds.