There are a lot of questions on this subject.

 

Can I pair these birds together? The answer is always going to be .. Yes. So long as they are male and female.

 

Pairing birds is like cooking. You have ingredients that we put together to see what the out come is. Like cooking, sometimes it is not what you expect or what.

 

If you want a cheese tart/cake you wouldn't mix Philly Cheese with Chilli sauce but you would if you want a great dip.. just add some chopped coriander to the dip and it's a winner

 

The next question is … what would I get if I pair these two birds together? That depends on there back ground. Here is two examples.

 

PR-348-07

 

This bird I would breed to a Spangle, a Double Factor Spangle or a Normal that was bred from a Spangle.

 

1W-016-08

 

This Bird I would never breed to a Spangle or a normal.

 

I know this because I breed both cocks and know what their back grounds are.

 

The first one was breed from a Spangle Grey Green / Opaline Cock to a Skyblue Hen.

 

The bottom one was breed from a Recessive Pied Light Green Cock to a Spangle Opaline Grey Green Hen.

He is split Recessive and Opaline so I don't want that gene filtering into my Spangle Line.

He will be either paired to a Recessive Hen of some quality or go to Kaz's Place.

 

You must keep good records of your birds and update them as necessary. For example the top Cock might be split Opaline. I don't know until one of his chicks is hatched as an opaline. So at that time I will update his records.

 

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by Darryl

Very interesting, as you know I love genetics. We need more on this subject on reasons why this mutation shouldn't be mixed with this mutation, I would enjoy learning more in that aspect.

I have the same view on opaline spangle as you Daz, I have been carefully recording any odd mutations that crop up in clutches now so that I have that info available when I pair. It such an interesting way to breed, much more fun than just throwing them together and hoping for the best.

I wanted Spangle Hens and Normal Hens But I only had Spangle / opaline Cocks , Spangle Opaline hens and Opaline Hens.

 

So I know I had the building blocks. I paired the Cocks to the hens Spilt cocks throw 50% sex linked and 50% normals.

 

The result was I got a percentage of Normal Hens and Spangle Hens.

A topic on pairing is a very good idea Daz. Especially as Renee and I were talking about that just yesterday and Renee has said she would like Gary Armstrong to come and do a demo pairing discussion at her place for some novices to participate in...early next year. Would you be able to keep this topic going with some further examples and reasoning why or not ?

1W-016-08This Bird I would never breed to a Spangle or a normal. I know this because I breed both cocks and know what their back grounds are. The first one was breed from a Spangle Grey Green / Opaline Cock to a Skyblue Hen.The bottom one was breed from a Recessive Pied Light Green Cock to a Spangle Opaline Grey Green Hen.He is split Recessive and Opaline so I don't want that gene filtering into my Spangle Line.He will be either paired to a Recessive Hen of some quality or go to Kaz's Place.

PS I wouldnt say NO

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by KAZ

So Daz do you 'use' opaline at all in your spangle pairingsor would you be just as happy to not have it? Personally I feel I haven't seen anything in the opalines around here that inspires me to use them over a good normal but whenever I say that most people jump up and down and say I should be using opaline to bring out X, Y and Z in my spangles...

Can do Kaz.

 

He is a black ring so would be go for next year's season.

 

Sire is a Dave Ganzer Recessive Pied Light Green. Back ground has McMahon and Steven Mow and Capasso & Butters.

The McMahon bird was DM1-008-02 Recessive Pied Light green.

 

The Hen was the sister to the Champion Young Bird of Show at Sunshine Coast last year. That bird beat Dave's Dominant pied that went on to Win Last year's Nationals.

 

So he has some good blood behind him.

now this makes sence daz what happened why was this stoped :hap:

this exaclly what i need keep it up :hap:

i totally got that