I have three genes. One is dominant and the other two are recessive.

 

If I am paired to a normal I will produce a percentage of dominants / recessives.

 

If I am paired to a recessive I will produce a percentage of recessives, a percentage of normal / recessives and a percentage of myself.

 

I was very popular in the fifties and sixties but now becoming rare.

 

Can I be shown in a show in Australia and if so under what section?

 

.... Who am I.

Double factor recessive pied? Grey is the dominant gene

Daz can you please post a picture of the back of the bird?

MB, Double Factor what? If it double factor pied it can not be recessive too.

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by Elly

I'll go and get a shot of the back.

I should have slept an hour longer

I should have slept an hour longer

 

thats okay, I agree with you on the recessive pied though the cere is still pink so it is a male recessive pied

 

 

 

I thought you might say Recessive Pied.

 

 

So I got a photo of one with him.

 

 

 

 

This is his Half sister.

 

 

 

No he's not a recessive pied.

Dark eyed clear?

I should have slept an hour longer

 

thats okay, I agree with you on the recessive pied though the cere is still pink so it is a male recessive pied

 

Elly why did you say Recessive Pied?

 

 

Dark eyed clear?

 

.. and why MB did you say Dark eyed clear?

 

 

 

I Should say he is a Single factor but you can get him as a double factor..

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by Darryl

okay, well originally I said recessive pied because in one of those first photos I thought I could see grey on the belly however now I see it must be a shadow. DEC is a combination of recessive pied (the two recessive genes) and clearflight pied (the dominant gene), black eyes with no iris rings and the cere colour confirm this rather than DF spangle or something else

I have a very similar bird which is a spangle recessive pied. I think this bird may have clearwing or dilute as well

That one picture look like he has grey on the bottom half but that must have been a shadow that is why I said that I changed my mind .

 

He is a Dark Eyed Clear so this means he is a combination of Recessive Pied (recessive) & Clearflight Pied (dominant) and he is a blue series bird (recessive)

 

They can be shown and are show with the Recessive Pieds.

okay, well originally I said recessive pied because in one of those first photos I thought I could see grey on the belly however now I see it must be a shadow. DEC is a combination of recessive pied (the two recessive genes) and clearflight pied (the dominant gene), black eyes with no iris rings and the cere colour confirm this rather than DF spangle or something else

 

 

Elly you did see grey on the belly. The hen has it. want to change your mind? Both Hen and Cock are the same variety.

Oh my goodness I am being driving nuts well then YES....

 

Grey (dominant) Clearwing (recessive) Recessive Pied (recessive)

 

Now I am going to guess because I honestly don't know which class it should be shown in I believe you have to chose 1 so you could chose Clearwing or Recessive Pied and it would be with the Grey Class (if they seperate by colors too)

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by Elly

Even judges would get this one wrong

okay enough torture.

 

The first one , cock, is a dark eyed clear. He is a recessive variety as his beak is orange and his feet are pink. He has a pink cere and no iris ring so he can't be a DF Spangle who's beak and feet is grey, cere is blue and eyes with an iris ring.

 

The other bird is a Dark eyed clear. His half sister. Both father was a Dark eyed clear. But for some reason she has the grey suffusion on the belly. (Nature is not perfect)

 

The only place to show these birds in Australia is in the AOSV section. (All Other Standard Variety)

 

The Cock bird has won at every show. As you can see from some of the photos he is as large or larger than my Recessives, and they give my normals a run for the money. I hope one day to breed a DEC that will win Best Cock in the section.

 

They were very popular in the 50s and 60s until the the Albinos and Lutinos came in fashion. They were easier to breed than the DECs.

 

There are not many like me that are trying to keep this variety going. They are not easy to breed and harder to breed to show standard.

 

There is no place in the Australian Nationals for this variety.... (at the moment)

so I was right in the beginning ...but not confident to stand my ground

Got to look at all points. Beak, Eyes, Feet, Markings and Colourings.

 

If someting doesn't "Fit" the books discription it could be a fault of nature.

 

I have a DF Spangle Hen that looks like a DEC except for the Beak colouring.

 

She doesn't have an iris ring.

Nice birds daz, a cuople of breeders here are breeding black eye clears.

The grey patch on the picture in the first post is misleading. Is it just a shadow

No Neville it is very clear She was a result of Pairing a Blue series DEC cock to a Recessive pied grey hen.

 

The grey is simalar to that on the recessive pied. patchy

This has been a really informative topic, especialy for us still fairly new to the show budgie game.

 

On a side note, good to see you 'back to your old' self 'Daz'

If I am paired to a recessive I will produce a percentage of recessives, a percentage of normal / recessives and a percentage of myself.

If a dark eyed clear is paired to a recesive pied the result would be 50% recessive pied & 50% dark eyed clear. No normal/recessive pieds

If I am paired to a recessive I will produce a percentage of recessives, a percentage of normal / recessives and a percentage of myself.

If a dark eyed clear is paired to a recesive pied the result would be 50% recessive pied & 50% dark eyed clear. No normal/recessive pieds

 

 

Neville you completely correct. My mistake. Here is a link to the pairings

 

http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/prbsinc..._eyed_clear.htm

 

 

Thanks MB, It's good to be back

Edited December 7, 200816 yr by Daz

okay.. So I'm completely and utterly out of my depth here but... what are the visual differences between DEC sf and DEC df??? (its on the breeding chart)