January will see breeding beginning at my place (for the birds people, keep it clean) and so I have been thinking about pairings. I am trying to avoid the opaline to opaline pairings, as I have been advised this is not good. I am trying to pair good birds to good birds, in regard to qualities as well as considering colour.

 

This what I have so far:

 

Wilde with Tia

 

Oscar with Pegasis

 

Earl and Aphrodite

 

Boof and Sunshine

 

Midori and Athena (blue hen in photo)

 

 

Nibbler and Cino

 

Humphrey and Kestral

 

Big Bird and Kiwi

 

 

Any thoughts, comments and feedback are welcome.

Wonderful

I think they are going to keep you very busy :rofl:

Will you still get time for a holiday ??

For sure. I am not going to put any pairs down to breed until i get home form Perth

Nice looking pairs :rofl:

Looks good what are you hoping to get ?

Everyone's going to Perth... Is there a discount budgie sale going on or something :rofl: The pair's are looking great Dave. I hope everything goes well. Your burds always look great so I can't wait to see the results from these pairings... Looking forward to the different names you come up with to...

I was meant to go to Perth last holidays but i slipped a disc very badly in my back and spent 2 weeks in bed at my parents as i couldn't care for myself. My trip is a post poned trip

 

Neat - I am hoping to breed my first true show birds, which i will ring, and then i can assess where i am and what needs to specifically improve in them. I am not looking for a National champion, i am realistic. I just want to breed birds that are constantly improving in terms of size, feather quality, head shape, length, markings, etc.

Cool - I can't wait to ring my first too ....

Dave, I can't give you advice on what you will get in terms of size and standards but I wanted to say good luck.

Since I have purchased the majority of these birds, I do not know their histories, so it is impossible for me to predict exact outcomes of these pairings, as I do not know what each bird is split to. In saying that, some possible outcomes can be predicted.

 

Pair 1 - Green Normal Cock to Cinnamon Wing Opaline Grey Normal Hen

Outcome - Assuming that the birds are not split, all young will be grey greens. 50% of cocks will be split for cinnamon and split for opaline

 

Pair 2 - Grey Normal Cock to Sky Blue Normal Hen

Outcome - Assuming that the cock is not split, all young will be grey split to blue.

 

Pair 3 - Opaline Grey Normal Cock to Sky Blue Yellow Face Type 1 Hen

Outcome - Assuming that the cock is not split, all young will be grey. All hens will be opalines whilst cocks will be split to opaline. 50% of young will be Yellow face 1.

 

Pair 4 - Opaline Grey Green Spangle Cock to Lutino Hen

Outcome - i have no idea what the lutino could be hiding, so assuming she is not hiding anything major - 50% of young will be grey, 50% young will be green. Of all the young, 50% will be spangles. All hens will be opaline and cocks will be split -ino and split opaline.

 

Pair 5 - Opaline Grey Green Spanlge cock to sky blue hen

Outcome - 50% young grey, 50% young greens. All young split blue. All hens opaline, all cocks split opaline. 50% spangles.

 

Pair 6 - Sky Blue Cock to Opaline Grey Hen

Outcome - Assuming the hen is not split then all young will be grey. 50% of cocks will be split to opaline.

 

Pair 7 - Green Normal cock to YF Grey Spangle Cinnamon Wing Opaline Spangle

Outcome - Assuming the cock and hen are not split to anything, then all young will be Grey Green. 50% will be spangles. 50% of cocks will be split for opaline and cinnamon wing.

 

Pair 8 - Double Factor Green Spangle Cock to Cinnamon Wing Grey Dominant Pied Hen

Outcome - Assuming that the cock and hen are not aplit to anything then all young will be grey green spangles, 50% will be dominant pied, 50% of cocks will be split for cinnamon wing.

 

Am I right in these predictions?

 

A lot of grey greens to come from these pairs. Is that a good thing? Not know the splits will prove interesting.

Edited November 29, 200816 yr by Dave_McMinn

I have always read to be careful with the grey gene as it can take over the aviary since it is dominant in both green and blue series birds.

 

Pair 1 - Green Normal Cock to Cinnamon Wing Opaline Grey Normal Hen Outcome - Assuming that the birds are not split, all young will be grey greens. 50% of cocks will be split for cinnamon and split for opaline You will only get 100% grey greens if the hen is a double factor Grey, but if she is a Single Factor then you will get 50% green and 50% grey green, 100% cock birds will be split for cinnamon/opaline.

 

Pair 2 - Grey Normal Cock to Sky Blue Normal Hen Outcome - Assuming that the cock is not split, all young will be grey split to blue. If the DF Grey = you are correct 100% Grey split to blue BUT if it is a single factor Grey 50% grey and 50% blue

 

Pair 3 - Opaline Grey Normal Cock to Sky Blue Yellow Face Type 1 Hen Outcome - Assuming that the cock is not split, all young will be grey. DF Grey will give you these results but if SF then 50% grey and 50% Blues All hens will be opalines whilst cocks will be split to opaline. 50% of young will be Yellow face 1. True unless the Grey is a double factor Yellowface 1

 

Pair 4 - Opaline Grey Green Spangle Cock to Lutino Hen Outcome - i have no idea what the lutino could be hiding, so assuming she is not hiding anything major - 50% of young will be grey, 50% young will be green. Unless it is a DF Grey and then 100% will be grey green. Of all the young, 50% will be spangles. All hens will be opaline and cocks will be split -ino and split opaline. ** the cocks will only be split to opaline if the hen is carrying the opaline gene and yes all cocks will be split to ino.

 

Pair 5 - Opaline Grey Green Spanlge cock to sky blue hen Outcome - 50% young grey, 50% young greens. All young split blue. All hens opaline, all cocks split opaline. 50% spangles.

 

Pair 6 - Sky Blue Cock to Opaline Grey Hen Outcome - Assuming the hen is not split then all young will be grey. Only if it is DF Grey, your outcome is right for a SF Grey. 50% of cocks will be split to opaline. All males will be split to opaline

 

Pair 7 - Green Normal cock to YF Grey Spangle Cinnamon Wing Opaline Spangle Outcome - Assuming the cock and hen are not split to anything, then all young will be Grey Green. Only if it is a double factor grey, if it is a single factor then 50% grey green and 50% green. 50% will be spangles. 50% of cocks will be split for opaline and cinnamon wing. 100% of split for opaline and cinnamon

 

Pair 8 - Double Factor Green Spangle Cock to Cinnamon Wing Grey Dominant Pied Hen Outcome - Assuming that the cock and hen are not aplit to anything then all young will be grey green spangles, - Only if the grey is a double factor if single factor then 50% green and 50% grey, 100% single factor spangles, 50% will be dominant pied, 50% of cocks will be split for cinnamon wing. 100% cock split to cinnamon

 

Am I right in these predictions? I hope I got this right I am a bit tired so I may have missed something. Remember a cock bird is xx and a hen is xy she give 1 x to her male off spring so any sex-linked gene ino, cinnamon, etc... the cock off spring will always be split for. Also Grey comes in double factor/single factor so you have to do both predications if you don't know if it is a SF/DF.

A lot of grey greens to come from these pairs. Is that a good thing? Not know the splits will prove interesting.

Edited November 29, 200816 yr by Elly

thanks for all that Elly.

 

Just on the opaline thing, you said for pair 4, that the cocks would only be split opaline if the hen was cayying the opaline gene. Well, isn't opaline a sex-linked trait, so the hen cannot carry it, if she had it it would display. For the male to be opaline, then he has to have 2 opaline genes. If he had one, he would carry it and not display it. The cock is guaranteed to pass on his opaline gene to all young. The hen is not opaline, so she does not have it. That means that every young will have one opaline gene, thus the hens will appear opaline, but the cocks will not.

 

Sad news as well. I went into the avairy this morning, and Big Bird was dead. He was eating off the ground yesterday, and with all the rain we have had, that is not a good thing to do. I am looking at more ways to weather-proof my aviary. I am considering who I will replace Big Bird with in the breeding structure. Maybe Hug - a DF violet pied. Not a big boofy bird, but very long. Might be a good quality to introduce into the mix.

Dave that is so sad about Big Boy.

About your breeding split opaline to opaline is a good mating for size etc. Just thought I would add my little bit :ohmygod:

 

If you are breeding for show it is not such a good idea to put a double factor to a cinnamon because the judges don't like cinnamon spangles. But then I guess she is a pied so you maybe looking for a pretty nest like me ,

this year I put down yellow face sky blue spangle and a cobalt spangle and I got the most exciting nest ever ( Yellow face white double factors x 2, yellow face sky blue cinnamon spangle, cobalt spangle, yellow cobalt opaline, cobalt, cobalt cinnamon spangle etc it was so good and half of them are really good looking birds showable.

 

But then it is up to you as cinnamon does give you feather.

Edited November 30, 200816 yr by splat

Just on the opaline thing, you said for pair 4, that the cocks would only be split opaline if the hen was cayying the opaline gene. Well, isn't opaline a sex-linked trait, so the hen cannot carry it, if she had it it would display. For the male to be opaline, then he has to have 2 opaline genes. If he had one, he would carry it and not display it. The cock is guaranteed to pass on his opaline gene to all young. The hen is not opaline, so she does not have it. That means that every young will have one opaline gene, thus the hens will appear opaline, but the cocks will not.

 

Because the hen is a Lutino if she was carrying it then it would be masked that is what I meant, so that is correct a hen can not be split for it but she can be carrying it but masked by another gene such as the ino gene in this case.

Sad news as well. I went into the avairy this morning, and Big Bird was dead. He was eating off the ground yesterday, and with all the rain we have had, that is not a good thing to do. I am looking at more ways to weather-proof my aviary. I am considering who I will replace Big Bird with in the breeding structure. Maybe Hug - a DF violet pied. Not a big boofy bird, but very long. Might be a good quality to introduce into the mix. Very sorry to hear this :ohmygod:

Awww sorry to hear about Big Bird! That is sad news.