As most of you know I have many many pet style budgies, but today I was given (for free) a beautiful pair of show budgies... I have named them Henry and Liz (Prince Henry and Queen Elizabeth because they are by far the most estravigant birds I have right now compared to the pet style budgies). So can you tell me what they are?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Henry is an skyblue opalne spangle and Liz is a cobalt (maybe violet but hard to tell in the photo) normal

Henry is an skyblue opalne spangle and Liz is a cobalt (maybe violet but hard to tell in the photo) normal

 

 

Thanks MB. I thought possible violet because in natural sunlight she has the prettiest purple color, but of course the camera is not showing as well.

Henry looks like he may be a violet carrier too

Henry looks like he may be a violet carrier too

 

 

I thought that of both, but am no good with the violets...

 

When you say "carrier" you mean they themselves are violet or one of their parents where and they are "split" to violet? Or is Violet an additional color to their color?

Edited November 23, 200816 yr by chrissy0705

Violet is single factor and double factor like yellowface. If you get single factor it is a carrier and you will just see a violet hue around the neck area, if it's double factor then you get a visual violet

Why doesn't someone give me birds like these?

 

Sky blue opaline spangle and a single factor violet cobalt

Violet is single factor and double factor like yellowface. If you get single factor it is a carrier and you will just see a violet hue around the neck area, if it's double factor then you get a visual violet

 

Oops, apologies MB, nearly right but not quite. Violet can be single and double factor, both are visually violet when they are on a COBALT bird. A skyblue bird carrying one violet factor looks much like a cobalt and yes, that's when you see that violet shimmer near the neck. That violet skyblue is capable of producing violet chicks if mated to a cobalt or mauve bird which produces cobalt chicks, then it is the law of percentages which says whether those cobalt chicks will inherit the violet factor. A mauve bird with an added violet factor is a beautiful bird which usually looks like a very intense mauve/grey colour. It too is capable of producing violet birds and the best mating to produce violet chicks would be to a violet skyblue which would give 100% cobalt chicks at least half of which would be violet depending on how many violet factors are added to the mix by hen and cock. Happy to explain at greater length if necessary. Jaz

I agree with what everyone said and jaz good information about the violets single and double I agree on those statements that is how I learned it too.

I'm kinda lost on the violet explanation... more details or breaking it down would be helpful.

 

As for my particular birds is it everyone's opinion that BOTH are carrying a single factor violet.

 

Single factor violet sky blue opaline spangle cock ???

Single factor violet cobalt normal hen ????

 

My husband and I just looked closely at both of them and although it might not appear in t the photos... the cocks patch of color on his head actually looks violet and around his neck is also violet. And the hen just above her check patches were the body color and shoulder markings begin is also violet.

Based on this photo

I would say he is a sky violet spangle

 

this is a skyblue spangle

 

see the difference in colour. Sky violet is like seeing a skyblue bird with a pale violet wash over creating that new skyviolet shade.

Edited November 23, 200816 yr by KAZ

I'm kinda lost on the violet explanation... more details or breaking it down would be helpful.

 

As for my particular birds is it everyone's opinion that BOTH are carrying a single factor violet.

 

Single factor violet sky blue opaline spangle cock ???

Single factor violet cobalt normal hen ????

 

My husband and I just looked closely at both of them and although it might not appear in t the photos... the cocks patch of color on his head actually looks violet and around his neck is also violet. And the hen just above her check patches were the body color and shoulder markings begin is also violet.

 

Violet is an added factor in coloring just like Grey. The bird can carry 1 violet gene or 2 violet gene. It is very difficult to know if they are single factor (1 gene) or a double factor (2 genes) and can only be proved at time by breeding the bird out.

 

You can have the violet gene on blue birds and on green birds.

 

For example: this is a regular cobalt (greywing too)

 

Here is a visual cobalt with the violet gene this is my Merlin

I don't know if he is a single or a double, I could figure it out if I knew his heritage which I don't or by breeding him out.

okay so it's safe to say...

 

Sky violet opaline spangle cock and Cobalt violet normal hen (just not knowing the single or double factor on the violet).... RIGHT?

 

Please confirm for me yes or no?

okay so it's safe to say...

 

Sky violet opaline spangle cock and Cobalt violet normal hen (just not knowing the single or double factor on the violet).... RIGHT?

 

Please confirm for me yes or no?

I would say YES

okay so it's safe to say...

 

Sky violet opaline spangle cock and Cobalt violet normal hen (just not knowing the single or double factor on the violet).... RIGHT?

 

Please confirm for me yes or no?

I would say YES

 

 

WONDERFUL!! That being said lets get down and dirty and can someone tell me if I mate these two what are the % of the offspring? And in your opinion is it a good pair? Any guess on their ages too... close ups of there iris's are in the first post. Also, what does it mean when their feet are blueish purple vs pink... their feet aren't pink like the rest of my birds.

I would definitely pair these two together

If this is a good pair, can anyone tell me what their offspring will look like???

Sky blue opaline spangle and a single factor violet cobalt

 

Offspring:

 

male offspring will be split to opaline but it will not be visible as they need 2 opaline genes to express the gene, as this is a sex-linked gene and they will get 1 from the mother.

 

all offspring will be normal blues

 

Both parents are single factor violets you will have 25% double factor violets, 50% single factor violets, 25% blues

 

100% violet blues if 1 of the parents is a double factor violet

 

There are always recessive genes that both parents may carry and you can have surprises in the nest or any sex-linked genes that the dad is carrying that can be carried off to the feamle off spring.

Sky blue opaline spangle and a single factor violet cobalt

 

Offspring:

 

male offspring will be split to opaline but it will not be visible as they need 2 opaline genes to express the gene, as this is a sex-linked gene and they will get 1 from the mother.

 

all offspring will be normal blues

 

Both parents are single factor violets you will have 25% double factor violets, 50% single factor violets, 25% blues

 

100% violet blues if 1 of the parents is a double factor violet

 

There are always recessive genes that both parents may carry and you can have surprises in the nest or any sex-linked genes that the dad is carrying that can be carried off to the feamle off spring.

 

So I'll know single and double factors after I see the offspring?

Thaks for the help Elly

It is really hard to tell the sf and df violets, the best way to find out if the parents carry the double or single is to breed them with a non violet it is easier that way so you can see the results in %

 

With this pairing if they are all 100% violets you can really can't assume that 1 of the parents are double factor because they have a 75% chance of passing the violet gene single or double but if you get one that is not carrying it you can assume someone is a single.

 

It is all in the %'s.

It is really hard to tell the sf and df violets, the best way to find out if the parents carry the double or single is to breed them with a non violet it is easier that way so you can see the results in %

 

With this pairing if they are all 100% violets you can really can't assume that 1 of the parents are double factor because they have a 75% chance of passing the violet gene single or double but if you get one that is not carrying it you can assume someone is a single.

 

It is all in the %'s.

 

That was an EXCELLENT explanation Elly. Thank you... I totally understood what you just said. Unfortunately, this is my only pair of show budgies (rest are pet style) so breeding them together is my only option right now.